73 Sects, Which one is the saved sect?  Download Pdf , Click here: 73 Sects

A Discussion between Discover Islam (Sufi) vs Dr Abdul Majid, scholar and speaker Islam Channel UK

01-02 December 2018  @ Whatsapp Group:

https://chat.whatsapp.com/KqPblt02U7865xUmXGPX8j

In the Name of Allah Most Beneficent Most Merciful

Peace and blessings of Allah be upon the Prophet Muhammad ,his noble family and companions

On December 1-2 2018 the followers of Ahlu Sunna Wal Jamah from the Naqshbandi Haqqani Tariqah creed opened a whatsapp group titled “Discover Islam” and described the group as “Discovering Islam from 73 sects” and gave out an open invitations to salafi/and others who claimed “They are just Muslim”!

The first topic of the debate held was  : 73 sects and which one is saved sect!

The related sub-questions were:

(1)who are the main body (Jamah) and chief of the Muslims whom the Prophet (s.a.w) instructed a very high ranked sahabi to adhere to at the last part of his conversation with the Prophet (s.a.w) ?

(2) Who are the a’immah and their folk, about whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) instructed us to be sincere to!

(3) if the particular sects, eg: salafi, jamath islami, Tabligh etc claims they are the main body and saved sect, while differing from the doctrines of Ahlu Sunnah al Jamah (Madhabs following Sufis whose scholars and A’imma were upon Osmaniya Khilafa) then to provide evidences to prove us that “the Main body and leaders, the Mujaddids who comes in every century, the A’imma and their folk” belong to “Salafi” , Deobandi, Tabligh or Jamath Islam/Wahabi doctrines and belief!

(4) Since the Hadith speak that only one sect is saved and 72 goes to Hell, we asked Dr Abdul Majid, Mr Soban Anwar from Research institute of Abraham Faith, if their particulars group is the saved sect, then why are they following the Hadith books of those who go to Hell, eg Imam Bukhari, Abu Dawood and so on who were shafi madhab following sunnis who had Shaykhs of tasawwuf and whose books have hadith relating to Sufi practice which salafi deemed as Bidha!

 

5-  If salafi is the saved sect, then what is their fatwa against Imams of four madhab and imams of Hadith (authors of six sahih and musnads) , because they did not follow salafi doctrines! And how can salafi accept the Hadith books of this scholars, whose Hadith chains have shaykhs who were followers of Sufi tariqah! 

As God cannot be three and one at same time, the Ahlu Sunnah Wal jamaah that follow madhab with tasawwuf (Sufi Tariqah) and salafis who say this is bidha and shirk cannot be both saved sect! One must be from 72 misguided and strayed sects!

Then the discussion took place on Saturday and Sunday and Dr Abdul Majid and his followers left the scene without addressing the topic in scholarly level or answering our questions!

Below is the relevant transcript of the discussion on the whats-app group! If they propagate you that i have omitted any of their response then you have the right to ask them to send you the complete comments in the discussion!

 

THE DISCUSSION BEGINS NOW:

[09:33, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Invite your imams, scholars, shaykhs, students , group membersand friends😃✍🏻☝🏼📗🙏🏻🤝👨‍🎓👳🏼‍♀👨‍👨‍👦‍👦👁🤵👥👤👨🏻‍💻💂🏼‍♂🧕🏼👲🏻👴🏻🧓👍
https://chat.whatsapp.com/KqPblt02U7865xUmXGPX8j
Discover Islam from 73 sects of Theological differences, because 72 are in Hell and only one is saved group!. Rules: 1- external videos or audios not allowed!. 2- Discussion only in English, or other languages with explanation in English , 3- No personal abuse or slander. 4- Proof only from authentic sources agreed up on by all parties related in the discussion!.6- you can add as many people as you want! 7- do not share links, engage with the group with your knowledge,8: everyone should stick to the rules.

[10:19, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: In the Name of Allah Most Beneficent Most Merciful
Peace and blessings of Allah be upon the Prophet Muhammad, his family and companions and those who followed him in ihsaan.

I welcome everyone to this group named ‘Discover Islam’ in description , it is to discover Islam from 73 sects .

Our topic for the opening is: Which group in the Muslim world today is the inheritors of the legacy of the main body and jamah and leadership.who is the one saved group in 73 sects today!? Or you put it in the way you can understand the topic.

So please join us for the discussion,invite imams, scholars, friends and students…

[10:23, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “The Jews split into 71 groups; 1 group will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 1 group will enter Paradise and 71 will enter Hell. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.”
When asked about which group will be on the right path, the Beloved Messenger of Allah replied, “The main body (Jamaat) of the Muslims.”
[Ibn Majah’s Kitab al-Fitan; Hafiz ibn Kathir’s Signs before Day of Judgment, page 14]

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “There was disagreement amongst Jews and they split into 72 groups. In exactly the same way, there will be disagreement and divisions in my Ummah. It will split into 73 groups. Except for one of these groups, all the remaining will be thrown into Hell.”
When asked about which group will be on the right path, the Messenger of Allah replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunnah and this will be the largest group of Muslims.”
[Tirmidhi; Imam Ahmad; Abu Dawud; Mishkat]

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “Without doubt, my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, hold fast to the greater majority.”
[Ibn Majah]

So let’s begin with the topic …who are this one group of people who are the only saved sect?!

Present your points with the entire context of the Qur’an and Hadith s from six Sahih.

You can respond to this discussion by voice recording or typing messages.

So invite participants to bring their evidence and criteria based on the Qur’an and Hadith

[10:25, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Please add as many scholars as possible, as I don’t want to create a school boys scenario here as our discussion with the Christians went on the other WhatsApp group. 👍😃

[10:43, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Three major groups:

1- Sunni-Sufi: The followers of 4 madhab of salaf origin and 40 tasawwuf tariqah founded by salaf and khalaf and followers of Ashari,Mathuriti creed. The largest group. Whose followers follows many of this schools with in their creed. For example, you will find a Hanafi who is Naqshbandi or Qadri. You find Naqshbandi or Qadri or others In all four madhabs vice Versa.

2- Shia chronologically Shia is the second dominant sect that came after Sunni creed which exist to this day! They say that they follow 12 imams and there are various factions with In them whose primary sources are same !.

3- The evidence for the existence of the third group, salafi cannot be found in the works of early imams or scholars until late 18th century CE. The group originated from the non-traditional zone of Islamic knowledge and scholarship , such as Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, according to ahadith!
Historically not from iraq, or Cairo, of Jerusalem or centeres of Islamic caliphate!
Nor from traditional Islamic education centeres like Bukhara, Fes, Cairo, Baghdad, Persia etc. They came around 1930-80s and said, Muslim are one ummah and no need to be divided as four madhabs or 40 tariqahs, all that lead to bidha, so we must be united as one ummah!
But by 2000s they are several sects like protestant Christianity today is! Who once fought against Catholic church to remove its shirk and bidha!
Even in south India, the salafis split into different sects and now fighting over jinn doctrines and calling each others s mushrik!

This are some facts . To find out more about sects in Islam. You may visit themuslim500.com and download their PDF file.

This information is for introduction to the topic!

 So if the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him,says only one from 73 is saved and all else will go to Hell,then our priority must be to be In the saved sect! Right?

To act on this Hadith upon ihsaan is to see the hell in front of you right now, and to know whether Im going to the hell based on my fellowship , following sections! This will lead to an investigation into to the 73 sects and saved sect!

So the investigation has to be based on the criteria the Qur’an and Hadith is laying down ,not our own thoughts!

So how seriously our generations taking this ahadith? If they are taking it seriously, then they must sit together and discuss it in a decent manner!

Of course everyone can say, I m sure I m the part of saved sect!. But if we don’t put our claims to test based on the Qur’an and Hadith, we are lying to ourselves and we are deceiving us and our followers!

So as I said earlier, it is easy to give Dawah to non Muslims under the pretext of us being the true golloerd of Islam! But are we following the ways of the main body and the imams!?
If yes, then prove to us , collect those instructions from the Qur’an and from the messenger of Allah peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and write down and two boxes next to each instructions, tick yes or no box and see how close or how far are you from the airport. Body. We need a questionnaire based on the Qur’an and Hadith. See this questionnaire will not be based on fiqh, for example,
(1) did you pray five times today
(2) did you go to jumu’ah last Friday
3) did you fast

This kind of question are not related to the topic on 73 sects ,this will become school boy arguments!

So we want the participants to come for advanced level discussion based on the research level insight into the topic

Some School Boy Arguments we can expect from the salafis: (We got such an argument later: Ottoman sultans did not do Hajj so , they are not Al Jamah, read later)

Some school boy Arguments: imams make mistakes, so we don’t follow them! ,We follow only the Qur’an and Hadith!

Key points: prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, didn’t compile the Qur’an and Hadith into books, for us to have a manual DIRECT source of manuscript!

It was written and transmitted by those who make mistake!

Even the Qur’an says to follow those who are fallible, Qur’an 4:59 .

So you are seeing yourself in position of free from mistakes by not following those who make mistakes?

So your arguments are futile and school level!

I say Your idea is shaitanic, because it is aimed to reject jamah!

Even in Salah you take mere man as imam! You are not thinking who is leading the prayer, which is the most important obligation of a Muslim!

As soon as someone speak about following a shaykh or imam you get frustrated and uncomfortable!

 

(Repetition avoided)……. So let’s begin with the topic …who are this one group of people who are the only saved sect?!

Present your points with the entire context of the Qur’an and Hadith s from six Sahih.

You can respond to this discussion by voice recording or typing messages.

So invite participants to bring their evidence and criteria based on the Qur’an and Hadith

Please add as many scholars as possible, as I don’t want to create a school boys scenario here as  we had our discussion with the Christians went on the other WhatsApp group. 

[14:17, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Now let’s explore the Hadith to make the case about 73 sects and saved sect! The major concerns are highlighted in the post!

Narrated hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah’s Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?” He said, “Yes.” I asked, “Will there be good after that evil?” He said, “Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil).” I asked, “What will its Dakhan be?” He said, “There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them.” I said, “Will there by any evil after that good?” He said, Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).” I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Describe those people to us. ” He said, “*They will belong to us and speak our language I asked, What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?” He said, “Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief.” I asked, “If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?” He said, “Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state.” (Sahih Bukhari,Book 56, Hadith 803)

This Hadith raise questions about the legitimacy of many groups who contradict the main body and it’s cheif!

So let’s summarise HADITH in following the points.

1- The Hadith speaks about the evil which will come upon the Muslim world.!
2- The evil come upon the Arabs from Arabs!, Not from Iraqis or Persians!
3- the evil mentioned in the Hadith is religious ideological faction rather than political, but it explains there will be political shift as well due to that ideological evil!
4- The Hadith instruct a salaf (sahabi) to stick to the main body,jamah and leader! , Usually it is the caliph and his creed! While some people today claim we must follow salaf without any base in the Qur’an and sunnah, the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him instruct sahabi to follow the way and cheif of muslims of the time !

5- the Hadith shows a historical timeline and history coincide with the facts!

6- the Hadith speaks about the duty of the Muslim, when there is no main body and it’s leader!

7- historically Arabian Islamic world entered into the world without khalifa since 1920s when the osmaniya khilafa was abolished! So the Hadith only point to osmaniya,whom we must follow as examples of Deen in our time. Because it’s the ONLY last legitimate jamah of ahlu sunnah!

8- The only ideological movement that emerged from Arabia in this period of fitnah (the vanishing of khalifa and jamah,k in Arabian peninsula till this day is salafi ideological movement!

9- the prophet undoubtedly says that it is the call to hell fire and orders sahabi to adherr to the main. Body and imam!

10- The believers are told to isolate from all this groups and sects that came outside of the jamah and cheif.!

11- the Osmaniya (Ottomans) were Hanafi Sufi Sunni Muslims and filed with the banner of Islam nearly 700 years , nearly 6 mujaddid must have appeared in this time.

12- all the well known traditions of Sunni Islam is followed by Ottomans and caliphate before them! We will come to discuss those later!

So the question is how are you as a salafi,deobandi, tabligh,or others linked to the last jamah and creed and caliphate?!
And about 73 sects, we follow the Osmaniya way according to this Hadiths, explain how can you fit into this Hadith other than the place where prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him warned about you?

Please participate in the discussion with decent explanation based on the Qur’an and sunnah!

[14:19, 12/1/2018] Asif: Wait for a response from a imams

[14:30, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Yes, I m constructing the case for them now, so let them read and bring a good statement on the topic
[14:32, 12/1/2018] Asif: Yes we will read up hadith and get info and it’s good to understand and debate with other sects of islam

 

[14:34, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam 

SULTAN FATIH MEHMET KHAN AL-HANAFI AN-NAQSHBANDI  (RADIYALLAHU ANHU) IN HADITH

The Prophet Muhammad (alaihiswalathu wa salam) said: “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!”

Narrated from Bishr al-Khath`ami or al-Ghanawi by:
Ahmad, al-Musnad 14:331 #18859 [sahih chain according to Hamza al-Zayn] al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak 4:421-422 [sahih according to him and al-Dhahabi concurred] al-Tabarani, al-Mu`jam al-Kabir 2:38 #1216 [sahih chain according to al-Haythami 6:218-219] al-Bukhari, al-Tarikh al-Kabir 2:81 and al-Saghir 1:306 Ibn `Abd al-Barr, al-Isti`ab 8:170 [hasan chain according to him] al-Suyuti, al-Jami` al-Saghir [sahih according to him]

The Ottoman Sultans and Armies, the Main Body which is quoted from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, were Hanafis, and Naqshbandi and Qadri Sufis.

We can see that Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam, praising the Ottoman Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamah and it is this sect and creed Muslims must adhere to! .

ISLAM IS BASED ON ALLEGIANCE- THE ROPE THAT COMING FROM ALLAH TO PROPHETS TO SAINTS AND TO THE KHALIFAS OF MUSLIMS:

On the authority of Tameem ibn Aus ad-Daree (may Allah be pleased with him):

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “The deen (religion) is naseehah (sincerity).” We said “To whom?” He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said “To Allah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.” [Muslim], Imam Nawawi 40 hadith 7

so, search for the folk, you will find their leader!

ALLAH SAYS: 2:257 Allah is the ally of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into the light. And those who disbelieve – their allies are Taghut. They take them out of the light into darknesses. Those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein. (see 72 sects who go to Hell in the hadith)

So wake up… time getting too late for you

THE ONE QUESTION WE FORGET TO ASK :

We are forgetting a very important question to ask to ourselves and to the pious scholars!

Khalifa Hz Omar Al Farooq (R.A) used to ask the pious Sahabi pious scholar from among Sahaba Hz Hudaifa R.A this question, ‘am I in the list of hypocrites?!”

So it is a sunnah of the rightly guided successor that we must apply to our life! We must ask ourselves, Am I a hypocrite??
We must ask our pious shaykhs, am I standing among hypocrites now? ‘
If so, how can I get out from this disgraced station!?

So only a believer will ask this question to himself and to the pious ones in his time!
Because a hypocrite is arrogant and headless. because he think he is pious and following the pious or salaf or awliya, so he think he don’t need to ask this question to himself or to the pious! So he won’t fear or feel the pain of thoughts about his hypocrisy!

So what is hypocrisy,? I am asking salafi ulema!
Explain what is hypocrisy!?

In the matters of fiqh if we fail, then there are measures to atone for our failure and a believer follow those measures to make up his shortcomings in the matters of religion (jurisprudence)! So if someone is not a hypocrite, then we will work out under the guidance of a scholar to rectify the deficiency in his outward actions!

So in the matters of ihsan, matters of excellence of deen (religion) that is to worship Allah in the same state of spirituality as you see Him,. If you are not worshipping Allah as you see Him then there is a deficiency in the heart and mind. So a Muslim if he is not hypocrite, he will run to shaykh of tazkiya (spiritual purification and zuhd) and will work according to the shaykh’s instructions to rectify the deficiency in ihsan.

So now we have come to the most superior matter, that is imaan, which is faith. When we know that our faith is not in accordance with the faith of the creed, Al Jamah and we are not On the way of Al Jamah, in the path of those whom Allah has bestowed His Favour (Quran 1::7) then we run to fix our faith, If we are not hypocrite!

Since imaan is the middle core essence of the manifest (Islam) and ihsan (spiritual state) , if we not fixing that then we are doomed. Our worship and spirituality are in vain too!

Because true worship and true spirituality comes with true faith.

So our prophet Alaihiswalathu wa Salam says to Hudaifa ibn Al Yaman (R.A) to stick to the main body and it’s leader.

And he replies, what if there is no maim body and leader.

The prophet Alaihiswalathu wa Salam says, isolate yourself from all this sects and factions until you die in a state of eating roots and plant and meeting your LORD in that state!

So now the back to the question. Are the Muslim, salafis, tabligh, Jamath Islamic, wahabi etc, in the world today sticking to the ways of the last of the main body and it’s leaders and isolating from this new sects and factions?!

If not, then what have you learned from the Hadiths?!

Are you rejecting the Hadiths of The holy Prophet and attacking ottomans and it’s creed and coming to me with proofs from the unbelieving world against ottomans!?

Your are bringing proof against the words of Allah’s Messenger (Alaihiswalathu wa Salam) from unbelievers and following it!?

So who is the believer and who is the unbeliever!!?

So when you understand who is believer and who is unbeliever, you don’t follow the ways to the Hell.

SO ARE YOU NOT JUDGING WHO IS THE ONE SAVED SECT AND WHO ARE THE 72 MISGUIDED SECT THROUGH THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET?

[14:37, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Qur’an 4:65  But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
so who is obeying the prophet!? Who is the believer and who is unbeliever? Come on answer us, according to the book of Allah! Because you are fooling millions of people by inviting them to the false sects and groups, that follow Deen other than the way of the last main group (Jamah) and leader-The Osmaniya Khilafa Creed!

[16:25, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Yes, the discussion is based on ONLY the Qur’an sunnah and Hadith, so be prepared to engage with the questions and case studies!

[16:39, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The case for Salafi,Tabligh,jamath and Deobandi.

MUJADDID AND  ULOOL AMRI

Quran 4:59 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

Sahih Bukhari Book 89:257 Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet said, “If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners). (See Hadith No. 176 and 177)  

Sunan Abu Dawud 4278 Narrated AbuHurayrah (R.A): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:  Allah will raise for this community at the end of every hundred years the one who will renovate its religion for it

Now the question to the salafi, jamath islami, deobandi etx is:
1- Name three ulool amri (the khilafa) your group followed!
2- Name 3 mujaddid whom you followed!
3- name one ulool amri, who followed your doctrines!
4- Name one mujaddid who is upon your aqidha!

Before you make school boy reply, as I advised Christian missionaries in the other group discussion! I want you to remember that there have been nearly 13* mujaddid in Islam ,so your version of mujaddid should not contradict the previous mujaddid in matters of the difference that is there in all this sects! Because many practice you say is shirk and bidha existed in the time of previous mujaddid and they haven’t prohibited it. You cannot have one mujaddid who follow salafi, another mujaddid tabligh, another mujaddid Sunni,no, impossible!

So if you bring a salafi mujaddid and says he is a legitimate Mujaddid, then you must also bring the previous 12 mujaddids who propagated salafi religion, or if you say, you don’t call yourself as salafi/sunni, but “Just Muslim” then bring 12 Mujadddi who were “just Muslims”? Can you? Why you people lying? ( this part has been edited to expand the question in the article)

It such case it will be like many holy spirits different churches who oppose one another and says to each other they are not true Islam!

So engage with in in the topic and expect more questions

Who are your ULOOL AMRI?
Who are your mujaddid, hijra 1400s now ?
Your sects do not have an unbroken line of mujaddid and ulool amri

[16:47, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: We are not discussion in micro level, but in macro level , not what mr X salafi,or what Mr y salafi does, we are looking into the sects as a whole based on the Qur’an and Hadith and finding our whether they are the group prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him commanded us to follow, if they are not the group then surely they are the groups Prophet commanded us to isolate from!

[17:01, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam:   Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4553 (First Hadith in this article is from sahih Bukhari)
Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman said, “People used to ask the Prophet, peace be upon him, about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things because I was afraid that they might overtake me. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, we were lost in ignorance (jahiliyyah) and evil, then Allah brought this good (i.e. Islam). Will some evil come after this good thing?’ He said, ‘Yes’ I asked, ‘And will some good come after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted with some evil’ I asked, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘There will be some people who will lead others on a path different from mine. You will see good and bad in them.’ I asked, Will some evil come after that good? He said,  Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire .’ I said, O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us. He said,  They will be from our own people, and will speak our language .’ I asked, ‘What do you advise me to do if I should live to see that?’ He said,  Stick to the main body (jama’ah) of the Muslims and their leader (imam) :’ I asked, What if there is no main body and no leader?’*He said, *Isolate yourself from all of these sects , even if you have to eat the roots of trees until death overcomes you while you are in that state. “

The Major group that came to existence in Arabia in the last period of Khilafat was “Wahhabis/Salafis”

Throwing s person to Hell described in another Hadith as the work of Dajjal! Because Dajjal will come with image of paradise and hell, the affliction and horn of satan from the East, Dajjal encamp near Madinah! ETC hypocrites going to that place!

The bidha universities in Madinah could be those places , Allah knows best!

They speak Arab and are from the people of Arabia!

They are not followers of four Madhabs, but Muslims Khalifas (the leader of the Muslims) were following Hanafi Madhab (Ottomans 700 years) and Abbasid before them.

They were lovers and respecting ahlul bayt awliya Allah and Sufi Tariqahs

They preserved and protected the graves and shrines of  holy Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) ahlul bayth and sahaba and awliya Allah, but wahhabis destroyed and still bringing destruction to all of the above!

From this hadith we understand that Either you stick to the ways of  Ottomans or you if you cannot do so because there is no one who follow the ways of Ottomans, then you isolate yourself from all these sects and groups!. Because Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam clearly pointing to Hudayfa R.A to be with the Major body of Muslims and their Imams.

Salafis do not follow any Imams, they say follow only Quran and Hadith, I do not understand their logic of saying only Quran and Hadith when they do not take and apply to life the teachings of Quran and Hadith!

but Muslims were always following and giving allegiance to their Imams  from Abu Bakar Siddiq (R.A) to last Imam, both rulers and spiritual guides!

And about 73 sects, we follow the Osmaniya  Khilafa ways (Hanafi/Shafi/Naqshbandi/Qadri/Sunni-Sufi)  according to this Hadiths, explain how can you fit into this Hadith other than the place where prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him warned about you?

Please participate in the discussion with decent explanation based on the Qur’an and sunnah!

[17:06, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: If you are not isolating from all this sects and groups,but going around and hugging people who follow different sects and says to them, “brother we needed unity,we are one ummah, we don’t label ourselves as so and so names, we are one ummah!*
Isn’t it the first evidence that you are not the saved sect, but you directly Contradict the last part of this Hadith which is to Isolate from all this new sects and groups!
?!

Can’t you see where you are standing! ?

No integrity,no firmness!

Everything is crooked!
So be ready for more questions and refutations

 

to be continued…..

Dr Abdul Majid Ali Luton in Islam Channel TV UK

DR ABDUL MAJID ALI’S INTRODUCTION:

[17:44, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: حَدَّثَنَا مَحْمُودُ بْنُ غَيْلاَنَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو دَاوُدَ الْحَفَرِيُّ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ زِيَادِ بْنِ أَنْعُمَ الإِفْرِيقِيِّ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ يَزِيدَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ “‏ لَيَأْتِيَنَّ عَلَى أُمَّتِي مَا أَتَى عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ حَذْوَ النَّعْلِ بِالنَّعْلِ حَتَّى إِنْ كَانَ مِنْهُمْ مَنْ أَتَى أُمَّهُ عَلاَنِيَةً لَكَانَ فِي أُمَّتِي مَنْ يَصْنَعُ ذَلِكَ وَإِنَّ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ تَفَرَّقَتْ عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً وَتَفْتَرِقُ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلاَثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً كُلُّهُمْ فِي النَّارِ إِلاَّ مِلَّةً وَاحِدَةً قَالُوا وَمَنْ هِيَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ مَا أَنَا عَلَيْهِ وَأَصْحَابِي ‏”‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ مُفَسَّرٌ حَسَنٌ غَرِيبٌ لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ مِثْلَ هَذَا إِلاَّ مِنْ هَذَا الْوَجْهِ ‏.‏
[17:44, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ سَعِيدِ بْنِ كَثِيرِ بْنِ دِينَارٍ الْحِمْصِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبَّادُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا صَفْوَانُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ رَاشِدِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ عَوْفِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏”‏ افْتَرَقَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَافْتَرَقَتِ النَّصَارَى عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَإِحْدَى وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَالَّذِي نَفْسُ مُحَمَّدٍ بِيَدِهِ لَتَفْتَرِقَنَّ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلاَثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَثِنْتَانِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ قِيلَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هُمْ قَالَ ‏”‏ الْجَمَاعَةُ ‏”‏ ‏.‏
 : Sunan Ibn Majah 3992
 It says 73 sects and only 1 sect will go to the paradise.
 The name is JAMA’AH
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641
 والحديث رواه الترمذي (2641) بلفظ : (وَتَفْتَرِقُ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلَاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً كُلُّهُمْ فِي النَّارِ إِلَّا مِلَّةً وَاحِدَةً ، قَالُوا : وَمَنْ هِيَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قَالَ : مَا أَنَا عَلَيْهِ وَأَصْحَابِي) وحسَّنه ابن العربي في ” أحكام القرآن ” (3 /432) ، والعراقي في “تخريج الإحياء” (3/284) والألباني في “صحيح الترمذي” .
 عَنْ أَبِي نَجِيحٍ الْعِرْبَاضِ بْنِ سَارِيَةَ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ: “وَعَظَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه و سلم مَوْعِظَةً وَجِلَتْ مِنْهَا الْقُلُوبُ، وَذَرَفَتْ مِنْهَا الْعُيُونُ، فَقُلْنَا: يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ! كَأَنَّهَا مَوْعِظَةُ مُوَدِّعٍ فَأَوْصِنَا، قَالَ: أُوصِيكُمْ بِتَقْوَى اللَّهِ، وَالسَّمْعِ وَالطَّاعَةِ وَإِنْ تَأَمَّرَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَبْدٌ، فَإِنَّهُ مَنْ يَعِشْ مِنْكُمْ فَسَيَرَى اخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا، فَعَلَيْكُمْ بِسُنَّتِي وَسُنَّةِ الْخُلَفَاءِ الرَّاشِدِينَ الْمَهْدِيينَ، عَضُّوا عَلَيْهَا بِالنَّوَاجِذِ، وَإِيَّاكُمْ وَمُحْدَثَاتِ الْأُمُورِ؛ فَإِنَّ كُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلَالَةٌ”. 

[رَوَاهُ أَبُو دَاوُدَ]، وَاَلتِّرْمِذِيُّ [رقم:266] وَقَالَ: حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ.

 It was narrated from ‘Abdur-Rahman bin ‘Amr As-Sulami that:

He heard Al-‘Irbad bin Sariyah say: “The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) delivered a moving speech to us which made our eyes flow with tears and made our hearts melt. We said: ‘O Messenger of Allah. This is a speech of farewell. What did you enjoin upon us?’ He said: ‘I am leaving you upon a (path of) brightness whose night is like its day. No one will deviate from it after I am gone but one who is doomed. Whoever among you lives will see great conflict. I urge you to adhere to what you know of my Sunnah and the path of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, and cling stubbornly to it. And you must obey, even if (your leader is) an Abyssinian leader. For the true believer is like a camel with a ring in its nose; wherever it is driven, it complies.”

حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ بْنُ بِشْرِ بْنِ مَنْصُورٍ، وَإِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ السَّوَّاقُ، قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ مَهْدِيٍّ، عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ صَالِحٍ، عَنْ ضَمْرَةَ بْنِ حَبِيبٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو السَّلَمِيِّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ الْعِرْبَاضَ بْنَ سَارِيَةَ، يَقُولُ وَعَظَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ مَوْعِظَةً ذَرَفَتْ مِنْهَا الْعُيُونُ وَوَجِلَتْ مِنْهَا الْقُلُوبُ فَقُلْنَا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنَّ هَذِهِ لَمَوْعِظَةُ مُوَدِّعٍ فَمَاذَا تَعْهَدُ إِلَيْنَا قَالَ ‏ “‏ قَدْ تَرَكْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْبَيْضَاءِ لَيْلُهَا كَنَهَارِهَا لاَ يَزِيغُ عَنْهَا بَعْدِي إِلاَّ هَالِكٌ مَنْ يَعِشْ مِنْكُمْ فَسَيَرَى اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا فَعَلَيْكُمْ بِمَا عَرَفْتُمْ مِنْ سُنَّتِي وَسُنَّةِ الْخُلَفَاءِ الرَّاشِدِينَ الْمَهْدِيِّينَ عَضُّوا عَلَيْهَا بِالنَّوَاجِذِ وَعَلَيْكُمْ بِالطَّاعَةِ وَإِنْ عَبْدًا حَبَشِيًّا فَإِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُ كَالْجَمَلِ الأَنِفِ حَيْثُمَا قِيدَ انْقَادَ ‏”‏ ‏.‏
 سنن ابن ماجه
: كتاب المقدمة حديث ٤٣
[17:44, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ حَنْبَلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، حَ دَّثَنَا ثَوْرُ بْنُ يَزِيدَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي خَالِدُ بْنُ مَعْدَانَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ عَمْرٍو السُّلَمِيُّ، وَحُجْرُ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، قَالاَ أَتَيْنَا الْعِرْبَاضَ بْنَ سَارِيَةَ وَهُوَ مِمَّنْ نَزَلَ فِيهِ ‏{‏ وَلاَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ إِذَا مَا أَتَوْكَ لِتَحْمِلَهُمْ قُلْتَ لاَ أَجِدُ مَا أَحْمِلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ ‏}‏ فَسَلَّمْنَا وَقُلْنَا أَتَيْنَاكَ زَائِرِينَ وَعَائِدِينَ وَمُقْتَبِسِينَ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ الْعِرْبَاضُ صَلَّى بِنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ذَاتَ يَوْمٍ ثُمَّ أَقْبَلَ عَلَيْنَا فَوَعَظَنَا مَوْعِظَةً بَلِيغَةً ذَرَفَتْ مِنْهَا الْعُيُونُ وَوَجِلَتْ مِنْهَا الْقُلُوبُ فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ كَأَنَّ هَذِهِ مَوْعِظَةُ مُوَدِّعٍ فَمَاذَا تَعْهَدُ إِلَيْنَا فَقَالَ ‏”‏ أُوصِيكُمْ بِتَقْوَى اللَّهِ وَالسَّمْعِ وَالطَّاعَةِ وَإِنْ عَبْدًا حَبَشِيًّا فَإِنَّهُ مَنْ يَعِشْ مِنْكُمْ بَعْدِي فَسَيَرَى اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا فَعَلَيْكُمْ بِسُنَّتِي وَسُنَّةِ الْخُلَفَاءِ الْمَهْدِيِّينَ الرَّاشِدِينَ تَمَسَّكُوا بِهَا وَعَضُّوا عَلَيْهَا بِالنَّوَاجِذِ وَإِيَّاكُمْ وَمُحْدَثَاتِ الأُمُورِ فَإِنَّ كُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ ‏”‏ ‏.‏أبو داود
 سنن أبي داود
 كتاب السنة (6)

باب فِي لُزُومِ السُّنَّةِ
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا بَقِيَّةُ بْنُ الْوَلِيدِ، عَنْ بَحِيرِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ خَالِدِ بْنِ مَعْدَانَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو السُّلَمِيِّ، عَنِ الْعِرْبَاضِ بْنِ سَارِيَةَ، قَالَ وَعَظَنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَوْمًا بَعْدَ صَلاَةِ الْغَدَاةِ مَوْعِظَةً بَلِيغَةً ذَرَفَتْ مِنْهَا الْعُيُونُ وَوَجِلَتْ مِنْهَا الْقُلُوبُ فَقَالَ رَجُلٌ إِنَّ هَذِهِ مَوْعِظَةُ مُوَدِّعٍ فَمَاذَا تَعْهَدُ إِلَيْنَا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ قَالَ ‏ “‏ أُوصِيكُمْ بِتَقْوَى اللَّهِ وَالسَّمْعِ وَالطَّاعَةِ وَإِنْ عَبْدٌ حَبَشِيٌّ فَإِنَّهُ مَنْ يَعِشْ مِنْكُمْ يَرَى اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا وَإِيَّاكُمْ وَمُحْدَثَاتِ الأُمُورِ فَإِنَّهَا ضَلاَلَةٌ فَمَنْ أَدْرَكَ ذَلِكَ مِنْكُمْ فَعَلَيْهِ بِسُنَّتِي وَسُنَّةِ الْخُلَفَاءِ الرَّاشِدِينَ الْمَهْدِيِّينَ عَضُّوا عَلَيْهَا بِالنَّوَاجِذِ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ ‏.‏
 سنن الترمذي
: كتاب العلم عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

باب مَا جَاءَ فِي الأَخْذِ بِالسُّنَّةِ وَاجْتِنَابِ الْبِدَعِ

 It is accepted from Abdullah Ibn Abbas رضي الله عنه as Ahlus Sunnah and Jama’ah but when sahabah asked our beloved Prophet pbuh about the sect which will go to paradise, he did not Ahlus Sunnah and Jama’ah but he just said Jama’ah. Alhamdulillah I will go by this hadith. Other hadith says that our beloved Prophet pbuh said: the Jama’ah is the one that is upon what I am and my companions. He did not Ahlus Sunnah and Jama’ah

 One should not be worried what 2 billion are thinking or believing. As per the hadith, we all should be upon the path same that of the one upon whose path the PROPHET Muhammad pbuh was and all his companions. Certainly, they did not titled themselves as AHLUS SUNNAH AND JAMA’AH

 My dear the report of Abdullah Ibn Abbas which is mentioned in the above reference is weak. Imam al-Qurtuby said it in his TAFSEER after this statement.

 

CROSS DEBATE WITH ABDUL MAJID:

[20:28, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam:

Well, The jamah is not a Hidden unrecognisable super man club!. So we must know so jamah with its leaders. The speaker is not addressed my questions and 12 fitted points! Who were the Al jamah and leaders of Islam until 1920!

From Dr Majid I cannot see any answer for my questions,he just quoted Hadith and didn’t explain how his sect is so jamah and his others are not!

I asked with clear criteria and none of this questionnaire is addressed in Dr Abdul Majid Islam channel UKs post!
[20:31, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Majid address this post and engage with me in the discussion!
Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4553
Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman said, “People used to ask the Prophet, peace be upon him, about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things because I was afraid that they might overtake me. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, we were lost in ignorance (jahiliyyah) and evil, then Allah brought this good (i.e. Islam). Will some evil come after this good thing?’ He said, ‘Yes’ I asked, ‘And will some good come after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted with some evil’ I asked, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘There will be some people who will lead others on a path different from mine. You will see good and bad in them.’ I asked, Will some evil come after that good? He said,  Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire .’ I said, O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us. He said,  They will be from our own people, and will speak our language .’ I asked, ‘What do you advise me to do if I should live to see that?’ He said,  Stick to the main body (jama’ah) of the Muslims and their leader (imam) :’ I asked, What if there is no main body and no leader?’*He said, *Isolate yourself from all of these sects , even if you have to eat the roots of trees until death overcomes you while you are in that state. “

The fitna of a  major group who speak Arab and belong to Arabian tribes that came to existence in Arabia in the last period of Khilafat was “Wahhabis/Salafis”

Because Dajjal will come with image of paradise and hell, the affliction and horn of satan from the East where the horn of Satan will appear, Dajjal encamp near Madinah! ETC hypocrites going to that place! (Parts edited to make the statement better)

The bidha universities in Madinah could be those places , Allah knows best!

They speak Arab and are from the people of Arabia!

They are not followers of four Madhabs, but Muslims Khalifas (the leader of the Muslims) were following Hanafi Madhab (Ottomans 700 years) and Abbasid before them.

They were lovers and respecting ahlul bayt awliya Allah and Sufi Tariqahs

They preserved and protected the graves and shrines of  holy Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) ahlul bayth and sahaba and awliya Allah, but wahhabis destroyed and still bringing destruction to all of the above!

From this hadith we understand that Either you stick to the ways of  Ottomans or you if you cannot do so because there is no one who follow the ways of Ottomans, then you isolate yourself from all these sects and groups!. Because Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam clearly pointing to Hudayfa R.A to be with the Major body of Muslims and their Imams.

Salafis do not follow any Imams, they say follow only Quran and Hadith, I do not understand their logic of saying only Quran and Hadith when they do not take and apply to life the teachings of Quran and Hadith!

but Muslims were always following and giving allegiance to their Imams  from Abu Bakar Siddiq (R.A) to last Imam, both rulers and spiritual guides!

Now let’s explore the Hadith to make the case about 73 sects and saved sect! The major concerns are highlighted in the post!

Narrated hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah’s Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?” He said, “Yes.” I asked, “Will there be good after that evil?” He said, “Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil).” I asked, “What will its Dakhan be?” He said, “There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them.” I said, “Will there by any evil after that good?” He said, “Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).” I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Describe those people to us. ” He said, “*They will belong to us and speak our language” I asked, “What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?” He said, “Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief.” I asked, “If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?” He said, “Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state.” (Sahih Bukhari,Book 56, Hadith 803)

This Hadith raise questions about the legitimacy of many groups who contradict the main body and it’s cheif!

So let’s summarise the points.

1- The Hadith speaks about the evil which will come upon the Muslim world.!
2- The evil come upon the Arabs from Arabs!, Not from Iraqis or Persians!
3- the evil mentioned in the Hadith is religious ideological faction rather than political, but it explains there will be political shift as well due to that ideological evil!
4- The Hadith instruct a salaf (sahabi) to stick to the main body,jamah and leader! , Usually it is the caliph and his creed! While some people today claim we must follow salaf without any base in the Qur’an and sunnah, the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him instruct sahabi to follow the way and cheif of muslims of the time !

5- the Hadith shows a historical timeline and history concide with the facts!

6- the Hadith speaks about the duty of the Muslim, when there is no main body and it’s leader!

7- historically Arabian Islamic world entered into the world without khalifa since 1920s when the osmaniya khilafa was abolished! So the Hadith only point to osmaniya,whom we must follow as examples of Deen in our time. Because it’s the ONLY last legitimate jamah of ahlu sunnah!

8- The only ideological movement that emerged from Arabia in this period of fitnah (the vanishing of khalifa and jamah,k in Arabian peninsula till this day is salafi ideological movement!

9- the prophet undoubtedly says that it is the call to hell fire and orders sahabi to adherr to the main. Body and imam!

10- The believers are told to isolate from all this groups and sects that came outside of the jamah and cheif.!

11- the Osmaniya (Ottomans) were Hanafi Sufi Sunni Muslims and filed with the banner of Islam nearly 700 years , nearly 6 mujaddid must have appeared in this time.

12- all the well known traditions of Sunni Islam is followed by Ottomans and caliphate before them! We will come to discuss those later!

So the question is how are you as a salafi,deobandi, tabligh,or others linked to the last jamah and creed and caliphate?!
And about 73 sects, we follow the Osmaniya way according to this Hadiths, explain how can you fit into this Hadith other than the place where prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him warned about you?

Please participate in the discussion with decent explanation based on the Qur’an and sunnah!

[20:33, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Majid, You said so jamah is the group not ahlu sunnah Wal jamath!.
But the Hadith mentions so jamah with its leaders! So you tell us who were the leaders!?
And tell us , where do salafi fit in Al jamah?

I asked a question on 4:59 and hadith about MUJADDID , who are your mujaddids for the past ,13 centuries and who are your ULOOL AMRI?

 You said Al jamah is what the Prophet and companions are upon, so the explain if hudaifa r.a was to live 19th century or today what he would have done upon the way of prophet and sahaba!?
Will he join you or isolate from your groups?!

Who are the Al jamah and leader prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, saying to hudaifa r.a To stick to?!

If the salaf has to follow main body and leader, then why salafi denying the main body and calling them innovators? And saying we go back to the salaf salih straight away and skip main body?!

 Dr Abdul Majid is diverting from the questions and inventing Arabic class

I just kicked our a Naqshbandi for posting photos and links .but I excuse Abdul Majid as he shows some Arabic posts from Ibn majah,only English post is necessary,as we have Arabic Sahih here!

 

[20:41, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: My Jama’ah is the Qur’an and Hadith.  

(Discover Islam: Abdul Majid from you  We heard a new statement for the first time, is this statement a bidha? let the readers decide)

[20:42, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: All the 73 sects scholars know Arabic, knowing Arabic doesn’t make anyone right, even the CHRISTIAN Prince guy knows Arabi and teach in YouTube channel”Christian prince”
So back to Najd, the Arabian Dawah movement that prophet warned us that some will be standing at the gate of hell! In hudaifa r.a Hadith

[20:51, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: Dear you may call yourself by any name. You may believe anything you like. I do not want to ascribe myself with any sect. If you understand these hadiths then you can show me from these hadiths where is the name of any sect mentioned in them.

[20:51, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: So let’s stick to the topic , which is 73 sects and which one is Al jamah. ? I want to avoid photos and video because I needed real time serious discussion

 

[20:53, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: I gave you my answer. Please do not push more. I do not believe in any sect. If you think there is one sect then you prove me the name of it. The daleel should be in the Qur’an and hadith and not others opinion.

[20:54, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: But the Hadith gives contextual factors and evidences, we will quote more ahadith on ahlul bayth when you answered the two Hadith, one from sunan Abu dawood another from Sahihain

[20:54, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: Surah Al-Hajj, Verse 78:
وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَٰذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاءَ عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَىٰ وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ

And strive hard in Allah’s Cause as you ought to strive (with sincerity and with all your efforts that His Name should be superior). He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islamic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion, Islam), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship, it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham) (Islamic Monotheism). It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Quran), that the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind! So perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), give Zakat and hold fast to Allah [i.e. have confidence in Allah, and depend upon Him in all your affairs] He is your Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.), what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.) and what an Excellent Helper!
(English – Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

 

[20:54, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Of course Qur’an and Hadith a tleast 3-4 sects read and accept it! But the question on who are the saved sect in that many sects, requires a solid answer…. I m re-posting questions again!

(we re-posted the Question again, but Abdul Majid as other missionaries did, put his IQ and research and analysis skills down the drain and continued to pretend to be unaware of the main body!)….

[20:56, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Who are the main body and leader mentioned in the last part of the Hadith!?

[20:56, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: You tell me who are those mentioned in it. ?

[20:58, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: You tell me what you understood from it? Please Don’t quote Hadith blindly like CHRISTIANS did with me on another group!

Explain  to us who are the main body and amirs?

Explain to the members! I explained in the article already who are they! Their creed and aqidha

[21:00, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You tell me because the hadith does not give us any NAME? WHY YOU ARE ASKING ME? IF YOU KNOW IT THEN TELL ME.

[21:00, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: If it is not ottomans then show me the caliphate of salafis! You have only fake Caliphate ISIS, who followed salafi doctrines and  bidha kitab tawhid of 18th century! Our kitab tawhid is only the Qur’an, we don’t call anything else kitab tawhid

[21:00, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Who told you that? Every sect says What you say.

(Dr Abdul Majid beats around the bush, he is not willing to answer, our Question, if the main body is not Ottomans, who are they? Who are the main body and leaders that existed in the pattern in which the Hadith spoke to adhere to the main body and chief?, if every sect says it is them, then who were the main body and leaders of salafis in the past 12 centuries? and their A’imma and ahlul bayth, this three question follows later)

[21:01, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: But what do you understood from the Hadith, who are Al jamah In 14th 15th century and later until there is no main body and leader? In 1920s? Who are the mujaddids in the past 13 centuries?

[21:02, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid  : What you are saying is your saying, but it not from Hudhaifa رضي الله عنه.

[21:02, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The problem with salafi is they Put IQ down when it is not serving their interest and argue over and over again

[21:03, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Every sect thinks their Shaikh up Islam is their mujaddid. YOUR imam is your mujaddid, he not for all.

[21:04, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: You say you have the understanding of salaf and follow their way.so please carefully listen. How do hudaifa r.a obey this Hadith from 7th century to this day?How do the salaf follow this Hadith!? Who are ulool amri and main body and leaders?!

Abdul Majid again diverting from the topic and he cannot say who are his Mujaddids who followed his doctrines for the past 12 centuries, because such a creed of Mujaddid does not exist, who followed wahabi salafi doctrines!
So since Abdul Majid agree that every group say their shaykh is the mujaddid, salafis could not find more than a couple  of Mujaddids of their group, because salafism is a 18th century product! And Abul Majid concealed the fact that the Mujaddids who came in the past 11 centuries of Islam followed the respective sunni sufi schools that existed in their times!

[21:05, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : The hadith you have quoted from Sahih Muslim the discussion is between Prophet Muhammad pbuh and Hudhaifa. They did not give the name of any JAMA’AH where did you get it from?

[21:06, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: It’s turning to school boy arguments now as I expected!

(Abdul Majid saying that since the Jamah is not named by Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam, he don’t want to accept any Jamah!, the Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam did not name any Jamah, why? Because the Jamah is known for it’s leadership and there will be many leaderships in the Jamah time to time!. Secondly, Jamah does not need to be named on a person or group, because “Believers are one Body! see anther Hadith, thats why it is called Al Jamah and not named after anyone, and Scholars of Islam call it “Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamah”)

The case for Salafi,Tabligh,jamath and Deobandi.
MUJADDID AND ULOOL AMRI

QUR’AN 4:59 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

Sahih Bukhari Book 89:257 Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet said, “If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners). (See Hadith No. 176 and 177)  

Sunan Abu Dawud 4278 Narrated AbuHurayrah (R.A): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:  Allah will raise for this community at the end of every hundred years the one who will renovate its religion for it

Now the question to the salafi, jamath islami, deobandi etc is:
1- Name three ulool amri (the khilafa) your group followed!
2- Name 3 mujaddid whom you followed!
3- name one ulool amri, who followed your doctrines!
4- Name one mujaddid who is upon your aqidha!

Before you make school boy reply, as I advised Christian missionaries in the other group discussion! I want you to remember that there have been nearly 13* mujaddid in Islam ,so your version of mujaddid should not contradict the previous mujaddid in matters of the difference that is there in all this sects! Because many practice you say is shirk and bidha existed in the time of previous mujaddid and they haven’t prohibited it. You cannot have one mujaddid who follow salafi, another mujaddid tabligh, another mujaddid Sunni,no, impossible!
It such case it will be like many holy spirits different churches who oppose one another and says to each other they are not true Islam!

So engage with in in the topic and expect more questions

[21:07, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You are mistaken you think I am salafi. But I am not. YOUR questions to salafies then let them answer you.

(Abdul Majid took typical salafi tactic not to be called as “salafi” , he says he is only a Muslim)

[21:07, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Abdul Majid, you have not addressed any of this questionnaire!

[21:07, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: You saying that we needed names from ahadith directly

[21:08, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Why should I? You texted the hadith. I can only understand the hadith. But hadith does give me any explanation of Jama’ah

[21:08, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The Qur’an and Hadith doesn’t mention directly all the prophets name! So your logic conclude that we should not believe in the prophets whose names are not mentioned!

[21:09, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Yes, if you base your argument from hadith then explain from the hadith

[21:09, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Jamah is mentioned in the Hadith with it’s amirs! So are you saying you don’t know the name of Umaraa (Amirs) of islam in the past 10 Islamic centuries and with that creed the Mujaddid of every century must have come and worked in the a’imma of the Muslims?, So who are the A’immah of islam?

Who are the A’imma of islam who followed your way and doctrines? If every group have their own A’imma and Mujaddid, who are your A’imma and Mujaddids in the past 10 centuries after salaf?

 I am asking if you can look at the historicity of the Hadith as the historical fact prove that there is no khalifa since 1924s

[21:11, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: What was the name of Jama’ah that Hudhaifa connected with? Or connected to?

[21:12, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Look at the Hadith, and explain the points .when did it happen In the Muslim world a period without khalifa?! If it is not khilafa then why other ahadith mention that the Al jamah is of Mahdi’s s d his khilafa?!  Imam Mahdi is the khalifa and his jamah is so jamah, so who were the jamah and amir’s before the abolishment of khilafa in 1920s! What did the 5 mujaddid says or views on Osmaniya khilafa?!Aren’t Osmaniya Sufi and Hanafi!?and your sect the people whom you refer to says that Sufi and Hanafi are misguided!

(Dr Abdu Majid asking another school level question, who are the Jamah Hudhaifa (R.A) Connected to/with?, he is ot understanding the saying of the Prophet (s.a.w) that Muslims are one body and sahaba too are one body in their title as sahaba, basically Shaitaan fooled him to think that there are many legitimate Jamah in different ages, there is only one Jamah the saved sect, see Quran 4:69 ,, the Prophets Siddiqin and Saliheen are in that Jamah) it’s political leadership is Amirs Khilafa, it’s spiritual leadership is “A’immah”, it’s social and family are culture is centred around the Ahlul Bayth-the Household of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them)

[21:15, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : So what wait for imam mehdi

(we have refuted Abdul Majid in the last session question that his waiting for mahdi is in vain, because Mahdi and his followers commit shirk according to his beliefs and doctrines)

[21:15, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The prophet talk high about the conqueror of Constantinople!, the Hadith about the conquerer of Constantinople came true in Osmaniya Khilafa Hz Sultan Fatih Mehmet Han (Q.S),

but Abdul Majid diverting from the topic! his ego does not want to accept the truth, Quran says , those who take their Nafs (ego) as ilaah (deity) are in vain worship and strayed, see the Quran 25:43,and 45:23)

[21:16, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: I have no problem with your Sufism or hanafism. Good luck to you.

We asked Abdul Majid to list the 10 Mujaddid until salah whom he believe are Mujaddid, and others may do so as well!, if they cannot find all Mujaddid who followed salafism then their Mujaddid cannot be the real Mujaddid!
Real Mujaddid must be from same creed and faith in all centuries, because Mujaddid is sent by ALLAH!
Only Ahlu Sunna Wal jamah (four madhab following Sunni-Sufis) can list 1 Mujaddids up to the Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) who followed same Aqidha(Beliefs)
if others can list their entire mujaddid, then why frustrated, write down and show the seekers of the truth! Abdul Majid tactically diverts again! see below! highlighted in colours

[21:16, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: See I am looking for an advanced level discussion with those who are willing to take it that level! How do scholars understand Hadiths historically and says this person is this mentioned in the Hadith!?  We are talking about main body and saved sect! 72/1, So the Hadith quoted from bukhari and Muslim is relevant
[21:18, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You believe in 5 mujaddid, shias believe in different mujaddid, salafies have their mujaddid. You fight for yours and let others fight for theirs.

(OK Dr Abdul Majid, then why don’t you list entire Mujaddid of the past 14 centuries who followed salafi aqeedha?, and show whether they all followed one and same Aqeedha/beliefs, if not then the salafi version of mujaddis are false, because that is made up Mujaddids!)

[21:19, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: If we don’t know who are the main body and imams or amirs of the centuries, then how do we follow those Instructions of the prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him!  ?

[21:20, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You can follow them. I congratulate you for your sincerity.

(Instead of answering the questions, Dr Abdul Majid diverts to different topics, if it were a dicussion with evangelists ,then they may quote Saudi Arabia human rights problem or Taliban to divert from the topic)!

[21:20, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Which shows you are confused, how do you look for tgemain body and leader according to this Hadith?!

[21:20, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Good luck to you my brother. I am not confused.

[21:21, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Let me make another attempt!
The prophet gave this advise to sahabi and which is for all believers till the end of time as it is a Hadith on the evil that befall on the ummah, not about s hidden jamah whom nobody can know! Like Christians say it’s all a mystery!No it’s not a mysterious jamah, so who are they?

[21:22, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : I do not have any problem with anybody whatever they are.

[21:22, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Did PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH give the name to his sahabah

(So abdul Majid’s logic says, he will not follow any Jamah, because Prophet did not name any Jamah, so how do he follow the jamah of Mahdi and Isa A.S) is it named?

[21:24, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: So as sahabi supposed to act upon the Hadith when he see the Dawah movement the gate to hell, east of Arabia in najd who opens and invite people to misguidance and error .when the sahabi sees that is happening! What will you do as a person who understands Deen as the salaf understood!?

[21:25, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : My stance is same and will remain same. I do not link myself with these names

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[21:26, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: If it is me, I see the horn of satan appear in the east in najd and i m seeing the major fitnah entering in Arabia and which is going to cause confusion and disorder, I will move out and stick to the ottomans caliphate with my most teeth, as the five mujaddid in the ottoman period did!

[21:27, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Do it my brother go ahead.
[21:27, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: When I see the nationalism enters in the Muslim world and so called salafi and modernist forsake khilafa and main body and establish nationalist systems and state and Nationalist sponsored Dawah movement such as the graduates from Riyadh and outskirts of Arabia, Madinah university and Qatar online bidha universities . I choose to Isolate from all this commotions! Nationalism the modern version of tribalism is forbidden in Islam ! Why the tribalists  admire salafi movement! I can see that some eschatological scholars of deobandi and salafi waking up slowly, It’s only a matter of time! As we used to stay to the missionaries in the other group. So Dr Majid. With respect how do you follow this Hadith according to the understanding of salaf salih!?

[21:30, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : I have no problem in following this hadith.

(Dr Abdul Majid lacks explanations and answers to our questions and counter-arguments, his replies are empty of  references and authentic contents)!
[21:31, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Many Hadiths about future events does not mention any names directly. But one may recognise those names and group based on theit conscience!!Are we omitting ijmah and qiyas?

[21:33, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Yes my dear, you base your opinion based on your conscience and others have theirs. I have mine.

(Dr Abdul Majid, Why your Ijmah and Qiyas not working to answer my questions then?)

[21:33, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: The Hadith doesn’t mention national lottery, it only says gambling! Hadith doesn’t mention vodka does that make it permissible because it doesn’t mention exact names!? There are many examples  outside of this topic ,but why should I waste on that time!e

[21:34, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: YOUR ijmah and qiyas ate different than the ijma and qiyas of other sect.

[21:34, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Why should someone follow salafi shaykhs and salafi books when the Hadith doesn’t mention to follow any books or any scholars directly!? The hadiths doesn’t mention to follow six Sahih or other books why are we reading this books? Hadith, Why are we opening college diplomas Qur’an competition etc , Hadith does not mention any of this!? Nor salaf engaging in any of the acts!

[21:37, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : You ask salafies and their shaikhs. My Shaikh is Messenger of Allah!

Notes from Discover Islam: Dr Abdul Majid claims that his Shaykh is the Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) , based on the format of his statement above, he says he can ask the Messenger of Allah and he will get answers from the Messenger!. if so, then he is Sufi , not salafi, or he is confused and doesn’t know what he is up to! or he may be saying this to avoid my Questions and to avoid answering my questions which i have already asked! SO Abdul Majid now believe that Allah’s Messenger listen to him and answer him as the salafis ask their shaykhs! Or Abdul Majid is lying on the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

The Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) says that: If anyone lies about me, then let him enter the Fire” (Sahih ahadiths)

Hadith No: 108 From: Sahih Bukhari. Chapter 3 Narrated/Authority of Anas
The fact which stops me from narrating a great number of Hadiths to you is that the Prophet said: “Whoever tells a lie against me intentionally, then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire.”
Dr Abdul Majid put himself is in trouble! Only way out from this mess is to make repentance and renew shahada in the main body and creed of a’immah!
Insha Allah to be continued to the third section of the debate…

Part-3 of the Discussion:

[21:37, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Could you explain to the members what is bidha and are bidha allowed? Is celebrating birthdays allowed ? Or only celebration of prophet’s birthday is prohibited ETC? As you are already out of the topic, let’s talk some general information s
Why did sahaba celebrate the birthday of Abdullah Bin zubair r.a in Madinah after hijra? if it is bidha ? Why the prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him didn’t dislike or forbid it? But your version of Al Jamah and saved sect says celebrating birthday is bidha! what do you say about it?

Masha Allah,that’s good to hear! I thought your shaykh is books and your Islamic teachers!

[21:39, 12/1/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: I am giving up my brother. I have many other things to do. Sorry brother you won and I lost. Congratulation. You have more knowledge than myself. I am still learning. In sha Allah I will discuss with you sometimes in future.

[21:40, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: So you believe prophet directly guiding you .so you can get some answers form the prophet! Great

THE CRITERIA TO RECOGNISE THE SAVED SECT:

[21:55, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: POINT-1 Quran 1:7 The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.

QUESTION: WHO ARE THOSE WHOM ALLAH BESTOWED HIS FAVOR?

عَنْ أَبِي مُحَمَّدٍ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ الْعَاصِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا، قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه و سلم “لَا يُؤْمِنُ أَحَدُكُمْ حَتَّى يَكُونَ هَوَاهُ تَبَعًا لِمَا جِئْتُ بِهِ”.
حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ صَحِيحٌ، رَوَيْنَاهُ فِي كِتَابِ “الْحُجَّةِ” بِإِسْنَادٍ صَحِيحٍ.

POINT-2 On the authority of Abu Muhammad Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-Aas, who said : The messenger of Allah, said:
”None of you [truely] believes until his inclination is accordance with what I have brought.” 
a fine and true hadith which we have transmitted from the book of Hujjah with a sound chain of authorities.
(Hadith 41, Imam Nawawi’s 40 Hadith Book)
Allah says: 49:14 The desert Arabs say, “We believe.” Say, “Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, ‘We have submitted our wills to Allah,’ For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
So one to attain Iman (faith) and to become faithful believer (Mumin) his/her inclinations must be according to Quran and Sunnah.
”None of you [truely] believes until his inclination is accordance with what I have brought.” Which are: Quran (book of Allah) and Sunnah (Traditions)
Traditions of Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be up on him) include: his deeds ,his words,his commands, his advises and total life of Prophet which include everything that related to his holy body,infallible mind mind,and noble soul (holy spirit)
Therefore for a person to become True believer (Mumin) his inclination must be according to what Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) has brought! (i.e Quran,Sunnah (Hadith and traditions)
Which are:
To follow those (imams) who are in authority among you
Quran 4:59 O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. 
Obey those who are in authority among you, that is to sincerely (not like wahhabis say: blindly!) follow the leaders of the greater majority Muslims.
On the authority of Tameem ibn Aus ad-Daree (may Allah be pleased with him):

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “The deen (religion) is naseehah (advice, sincerity).” We said “To whom?” He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said “To Allah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.” Related by Muslim.
عَنْ أَبِي رُقَيَّةَ تَمِيمِ بْنِ أَوْسٍ الدَّارِيِّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه و سلم قَالَ: ”الدِّينُ النَّصِيحَةُ. قُلْنَا: لِمَنْ؟ قَالَ لِلَّهِ، وَلِكِتَابِهِ، وَلِرَسُولِهِ، وَلِأَئِمَّةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَعَامَّتِهِمْ” .
رَوَاهُ مُسْلِمٌ [رقم: 55].
(40 Hadith Nawawi, Hadith-7)
That is to follow the way of Ahlul Bayt
THEY ARE THOSE WHOM ALLAH BESTOWED HIS FAVOR: The Book of Allah and my family the Ahl al-Bait. These two will not be separated until they meet me at the Fountain (of Kawthar). That is the favor, the certainity (Yaqeen)
QURAN AL BAKARA: 2:4, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

THE ASSURANCE IS: The Book of Allah and my family the Ahl al-Bait. These two will not be separated until they meet me at the Fountain (of Kawthar)

THAT IS THE FAVOR: SURA FATIHA:

1:7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
THAT IS THE TRUE PATH: 1:6 which Muslim asking ALLAH to grant him, atleast 17 times a day in his prayer !

1:6 Show us the straight way,
The Path of Ahlul Bayt, the Path of Imams and Shaykhs of Ahlul bayt, of the greater majority of Muslims, of Awliya Allah, of the Path of Sufism!.
Tirmidhi, denoting it Hassan, and Haakim narrated from Zaid bin Arqam that the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
إني تارك فيكم ما إن تمسكتم به لن تضلو بعدي: كتاب الله وعترتي أهل بيتي ولن يفترقا حتى يردا علي الحوض، فأنظروا كيف تخلفوني فيهما
‘Verily I am leaving in you that to which if you firmly hold onto you will not go astray after me; The Book of Allah and my family the Ahl al-Bait. These two will not be separated until they meet me at the Fountain (of Kawthar), so look (take care) at how you deal with them after me.’ [Sunan Tirmidhi, Vol. 5, Page 626, Hadith 3788 | Mustadrak al-Hakim, Vol. 3, Page 160, Hadith 4711]

Tabarani narrates from Abu Dhar, who said: I heard the Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam say:
مثل أهل بيتي فيكم كمثل سفينة نوح في قوم نوح من ركبها نجا ومن تخلف عنها هلك ومثل باب حطة في بني اسرائيل safinah
‘The example of my Ahl al-Bait within you is the example of the Ark of Nuh within the nation of Nuh; whoever boarded it was saved and whoever stayed behind was destroyed. It is also the example of the ‘Hitha’ of the Bani Isra’eel.’ [Tabarani in Al-Awsat, Vol. 4, Page 283, Hadith 3506 | Mustadrak al-Hakim, Vol. 2, Page 427, Hadith 3312]

Ibn Shayba and Musadad in their respective Musnads; Hakeem Tirmidhi in ‘Nawaadir Al Usool’, Abu Ya’laa and Tabarani narrated from Salama bin Aku’ that the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
الندم أمان لأهل السماء وأهل بيتي أمان لأمتي
‘The stars are the refuge for the people of the Heavans and my Ahl al-Bait is the refuge for my Ummah.’ [Ibn Hajar in Matalib al-Aaliya, Vol. 4, Page 262, Hadith 3972 | Tabarani in Al-Kabir, Vol. 7, Page 22, Hadith 6260 | Kanz al-Ummal, Vol. 12, Page 101]

It is to follow the main body of Muslims and their Imams
MAIN BODY OF MUSLIM IS: QURAN,AHLUL BAYT,IMAMS,LEADERS OF THE MUSLIMS, SUNNAH AND HADITHSahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4553.

Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman said, “People used to ask the Prophet, peace be upon him, about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things because I was afraid that they might overtake me. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, we were lost in ignorance (jahiliyyah) and evil, then Allah brought this good (i.e. Islam). Will some evil come after this good thing?’ He said, ‘Yes’ I asked, ‘And will some good come after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted with some evil’ I asked, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘There will be some people who will lead others on a path different from mine. You will see good and bad in them.’ I asked, ‘Will some evil come after that good?’ He said, ‘Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire.’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us.’ He said, ‘They will be from our own people, and will speak our language.

‘ I asked, ‘What do you advise me to do if I should live to see that?’ He said, ‘Stick to the main body (jama’ah) of the Muslims and their leader (imam).’ I asked, What if there is no main body and no leader?’ He said, ‘Isolate yourself from all of these sects, even if you have to eat the roots of trees until death overcomes you while you are in that state.’
Quran 1:7 The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “There was disagreement amongst Jews and they split into 72 groups. In exactly the same way, there will be disagreement and divisions in my Ummah. It will split into 73 groups. Except for one of these groups, all the remaining will be thrown into Hell.”
When asked about which group will be on the right path, the Messenger of Allah replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunnah and this will be the largest group of Muslims.”
[Tirmidhi; Imam Ahmad; Abu Dawud; Mishkat]

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be eternally upon him, said, “Without doubt, my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, hold fast to the greater majority.”
[Ibn Majah]
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “”Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!”
[Ibne Majah]

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah’s mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from the largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell.”
[Tirmidhi]
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “He who deviates himself from the largest group of Muslims, even as much as a hand span, has himself cut off his connection with Islam.”
[Abu Dawud; Imam Ahmed]
Quran 1:7 Sura Fatiha The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Who are on path of Astray?
Tabarani in Awsat narrates from Hassan bin Ali that the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
الزموا مودتنا أهل البيت فانه من لقي الله وهو يودنا دخل الجنة بشفاعتنا والذي نفسى بيده لا ينفع عبداً عمل عمله الا بمعرفة حقنا
‘Make the love of our Ahl al-Bait compulsory for whoever meets Allah having love for us shall enter paradise with our intercession and By He in whose Hand is my life no deed will benefit a servant except by recognizing our right.’ [Tabarani in Al-Awsat, Vol. 3, Page 122, Hadith 2251 | Al-Shifa, Vol. 2, Page 48]
Not in the Path of those servants (Muslims) , who abuse and oppress ahlul bayt , destroy their houses and tombs!, Not in the Path of those who call them Mushrik and Kafir! Not in in the Path of those who demolish the tombs and graves of ahlul bayt!
NOT ON THE PATH OF HYPOCRITES:
Ibn Adee in Al-Kaleel narrates from Abu Sa’eed Khudri Radi Allahu Ta’ala Anhu that the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
من ابغضنا اهل البيت فهو منافق
‘He is a hypocrite who has malice for our Ahl al-Bait.’ [Jawahir al-Aqdain, Vol. 2, Page 25]
NOT IN THE PATH OF THE PEOPLE OF HELL FIRE:

Tabarani narrates from Imam Hasan bin Ali that he said to Muaawiyya bin Khudayj:
يا معاوية بن خديج اياك وبغضنا فان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: لا يبغضنا احد ولا يحسدنا احد الا زيل يوم القيامة عن الحوض بسياط من نار
‘O Muaawiya Ibn Khudayj guard yourself from having malice for us because undoubtedly the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa Sallam said ‘No one has malice for us and no one is envious of us except on the day of Qiyaamah he will be kept away from the fountain by whips of fire.’ [Tabarani in Al-Kabir, Vol. 3, Page 81, Hadith 2726 and Al-Awsat, Vol 3. Page 203, Hadith 4426]

NOT IN THE PATH OF ILLEGITIMATE, IMPURE AND INDECENT:
Ibn Adee and Bayhaqi, in Shau’ab ul Imaan, narrated from Sayyiduna Ali the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
من لم يعرف حق عترتي والانصار فهو لاحدى ثلاث اما منافق واما لدينه واما لغير طهرو يعني حملته امه على غير طهر
‘Whosoever did not recognise the right of my family and Ansaar is one of three; either a hypocrite, born illegitimate or conceived by his mother whilst she was impure.’ [Ibn Adee in Al-Kaamil, Vol. 3, Page 106 | Shau’ab al-Iman, Vol. 2, Page 232, Hadith 1614, Daylami in Al-Firdaws, Vol. 3, Page 662, Hadith 5955]

From the above Hadith we can see that Love and Obedience to the Imams and Shaykhs of Ahlul Bayt and their successors (Awliya Allah, the Saints of tasawwuf/Sufism) is the basis of our religion and success.
Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam, loved his family and descendants, so to love them is also a Sunnah and to follow them and give their rights is what Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said to this nation.
Ibn Najjaar in his ‘Taarikh’ narrates from Hasan bin Ali that the beloved Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi wa Baaraka wa Sallam said
لكل شيء أساس وأساس الإسلام حب أصحاب رسول الله وحب أهل بيته
‘Everything has a base and the base of Islam is the love of the Prophet’s companions and love of his Ahl al-Bait.’ [Jami’ al-Ahadith, Vol. 3, Page 457, Hadith 9778 | Kanz al-Ummal, Vol. 11, Page 2319, Hadith 32523 | Al-Musannaf]

So Wake up, don’t fool yourself by going behind so many misguided sects and groups, organizations and parties!
Wake up, it is time to come to the straight path, Insha Allah, May Allah help me ,help you and help everyone to follow the footstep of the Beloved Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam, and the Imams of his ahlul bayt and those who followed them in Ihsan (Imams of ahlul sunnah wal jamah, awliya Allah and Shaykhs of Tasawwuf)
The Awliya Allah (Sufi Saints) are those who inherited the Quran,Sunnah and spirituality of Prophet and Imams Ahlul Bayt .
This is why, we seldom find any religious scholar, who were not a Sufi!
All the Imams of ahlu sunna were Madhab following Sufis.
Greater Majority of Muslims and their Imams loved and followed Imams of ahlul bayt and way of Sufis.
Shia who claim, they follow Imams of ahlul bayt, did not inherit the legacy of ahlul bayt, i.e Wilayath and the Islamic Caliphate,never in the history of Islam!.
قَالَتِ الْأَعْرَابُ آمَنَّا قُل لَّمْ تُؤْمِنُوا وَلَٰكِن قُولُوا أَسْلَمْنَا وَلَمَّا يَدْخُلِ الْإِيمَانُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ وَإِن تُطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ لَا يَلِتْكُم مِّنْ أَعْمَالِكُمْ شَيْئًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

The desert Arabs say, “We believe.” Say, “Ye have no faith; but ye (only) say, ‘We have submitted our wills to Allah,’ For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [49:14]

You can either follow Quran and traditions with whole heart or follow some and reject other , that fit your ego!

So ALLAH Says:

Quran 25:43 Have you seen the one whose god is his own ego? Will you be his advocate?

Quran 45:23 Have you noted the one whose god is his ego? Consequently, God sends him astray, despite his knowledge, seals his hearing and his mind, and places a veil on his eyes. Who then can guide him, after such a decision by God? Would you not take heed?

Enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not satan’s footsteps ……
يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱدۡخُلُواْ فِى ٱلسِّلۡمِ ڪَآفَّةً۬ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُواْ خُطُوَٲتِ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنِ‌ۚ إِنَّهُ ۥ لَڪُمۡ عَدُوٌّ۬ مُّبِينٌ۬ فَإِن زَلَلۡتُم مِّنۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَتۡڪُمُ ٱلۡبَيِّنَـٰتُ فَٱعۡلَمُوٓاْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَزِيزٌ حَڪِيمٌ هَلۡ يَنظُرُونَ إِلَّآ أَن يَأۡتِيَهُمُ ٱللَّهُ فِى ظُلَلٍ۬ مِّنَ ٱلۡغَمَامِ وَٱلۡمَلَـٰٓٮِٕڪَةُ وَقُضِىَ ٱلۡأَمۡرُ‌ۚ وَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ تُرۡجَعُ ٱلۡأُمُورُ سَلۡ بَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ كَمۡ ءَاتَيۡنَـٰهُم مِّنۡ ءَايَةِۭ بَيِّنَةٍ۬‌ۗ وَمَن يُبَدِّلۡ نِعۡمَةَ ٱللَّهِ مِنۢ بَعۡدِ مَا جَآءَتۡهُ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ شَدِيدُ ٱلۡعِقَابِ زُيِّنَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ ٱلۡحَيَوٰةُ ٱلدُّنۡيَا وَيَسۡخَرُونَ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ‌ۘ وَٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّقَوۡاْ فَوۡقَهُمۡ يَوۡمَ ٱلۡقِيَـٰمَةِ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَرۡزُقُ مَن يَشَآءُ بِغَيۡرِ حِسَابٍ۬

“O ye who believe! enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the Evil One; for he is to you an avowed enemy. If ye backslide after the clear (signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision). Ask the Children of Israel how many Clear (Signs) We have sent to them. But if anyone after Allah’s favour has come to him, substitutes (something else), Allah is strict in punishment. The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measures on whom He will.”

(Qur’an: Baqarah: 2: 208-212)

What I have written here, first of all, I am taking it and applying it to my own life first. may Allah forgive me for any disrespect or disobedience to Imams and Shaykhs of ahlul bayt , that if I had ever in my life…ameen

Read this carefully and say who will fit into all this VERSES of Qur’an and Hadith!
Salafi deny ULOOL AMRI, because they claiming they don’t know who is Al jamath, like CHRISTIANITY says trinity is a mystery, salafis say ,Al jamah is a mystery! We asked open question, to show three ulool amri who are salafi, to show three mujaddid who are Salafi, but they are running away ,they don’t want to address the topic!

 

STAGES IN SALAFISM :
Bismillahi Rahman Rahee
from the teaching of Awliya Allah from our Shaikh Sahihul Saif Hazret Shaikh Abdul Kerim Al-Kibrisi ar-Rabbani (q.s) we can see the stages in salafi life as follows!

1: The stage of confusion and Rebellion!
The salafi aspirant goes through a spiritual crisis due to his life among dead sunni community. he think that he has to make holy war, because he is everything is going wrong around him. And Muslims are not doing anything about it! So he looks for people who are saying we are doing something about it. And that all this people who are doing nothing about the weak stage of this nation are innovators. So the salafi aspirant seek a protestant movement with in Islam.
But the salafi not knowing that he must reform himself and then whatever happening around him will not affect him! He is not realising that prophets lived and struggled in the middle of very arrogant and tyrants! And not understanding this world is a test and prison for the believer!

salafi want to make this world paradise, except himself, he is not taking tazkiya works on himself but going out to attack Muslims and non-Muslims labelling them as mushrik! Though it is forbidden!

Salafi quote Muhaddis shah waliyullah who is one of the grand shaikh of Naqshbandi tariqah in their hadith books,then on the other side they say sufi is not Islam, Naqshbandi is false etc!
This is like pastors in each church have different view on a same topic!

2- Stage of hypocrisy!
Now the salafi reach in his middle stage and he become a leader or scholar or commander of a salafi movement. now the Duty of salafi is to persecute and oppress ahlu sunnah, where he is with arms he attack and destroy mosques ane shrines calling Muslim as polytheists!
Now salafi call some groups as innovators and mushrik. Some they leave. For example they choose to attack sufi schools such as Naqshbandi Qadri rifai and so on. And they refrain from attacking four madhab and it’s imams. They ignore the fact that dozen mujaddid came to this world and they didn’t go against madhab or tariqah.

This is the state of salafi hypocrisy. As stated in the quran 2:85 closely resembles the yahoodi in this nature.

3- State of unbelief.
This is the stage of how a salafi pass out (exit) from this world. Should I say fail out!
Making awliya Allah and ahlu sunnah mushrik. Following their own ego,.the salafi now awaiting for the death of jahiliya broken away from the main body, from the creed of Mujaddid. From the ways of Ulool amri minkum.

Quran no where Saye to follow salaf directly..quran commands to obey Allah, the Messenger and those who are in authority among you!
The salafi deny imams (Ulool amri) and the creed their professed!
So he say he directly follow salaf, even the salaf were commanded to follow the maim body and imam of the times!

So, Allah removed Salam from salafi, salafi is angry and frustrated. He dies the death of unbelief.

Because hypocrites rarely returns to pure creed!
They become ahlu kitab and Allah names them in their tongue as “Ahlul Hadis” when the pure Ahlul hadith, imams of ahadith and fiqh followed the traditional Islamic way.

[22:27, 12/1/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Majid says that the Hadith I quoted doesn’t say any name of the jamah!
 But he forget that the Hadith about best generations doesn’t say anywhere we haven’t follow salaf salih!
 The Qur’an only says to follow Allah and the messenger and those who are in authority among you!
And ahlul bayth among you…The imams among you!  So why are the salafis quoting that Hadith to claim that we must follow salaf?  Not those who dead and are in graves ! Following ded is grave worshiping! Salafis worshiping dead! See the salafi hypocrisy and double standard. Then only proof salafi quote to make doctrine of following salaf salih is , the only Hadith about three pious best generation , it doesn’t not say the Muslim world must follow them!

 

Salafis cannot make the scholars whose Names mentioned below as Muajjad/A’immah or Main body because they all praised Sufi Paths ., today’s salafis, tabligh and others see Sufis (remember Ottomans and others who followed Sufi tariqa) as misguided!

So who are the Mujaddid , Ai’immah and Main body of Salafi/Tabligh and Jamath Islami?

The Scholars who testify Sufism:

Imam Abu Hanifa (81-150 H./700-767 CE)

Imam Abu Hanifa (r) (85 H.-150 H) said, “If it were not for two years, I would have perished. For two years I accompanied Sayyidina Jacfar as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a knower in the Way.”

The book Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43, mentions that Ibn cAbidin said, “Abi Ali Dakkak, one of the sufi saints, received his path from Abul Qassim an-Nasarabadi, who received it from ash-Shibli, who received it from Sariyy as-Saqati who received it from Macruf al-Karkhi, who received it from Dawud at-Ta’i, who received the knowledge, both the external and the internal, from the Imam Abu Hanifa (r), who was supporting the Sufi Spiritual Path.” The Imam said before he died: lawla sanatan lahalaka Nucman, “Were it not for a certain two years, Nucman [i.e. myself] would have perished.” There were the last two years of his life, when he began accompanying Jacfar as-Sadiq (q).

Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)

Imam Malik (r) said, “Whoever studies jurisprudence (fiqh) and didn’t study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn’t study jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth.” This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar ‘Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of jurisprudence, vol. 2, p. 195.

Imam Shafii (150-205 H./767-820 CE)

Imam Shafii said, “I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:

they taught me how to speakthey taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.they guided me in the ways of Sufism.”

This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam ‘Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)

Imam Ahmad (r) said, advising his son, “O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.” This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.

Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, “I don’t know any people better than them.”

Imam al-Muhasibi (d. 243 H./857 CE)

Imam al-Muhasibi reported that the Prophet (s) said, “My Nation is going to split into 73 divisions and only one of them will be the Group of Salvation.” And Allah knows best that the Group is the people of Tasawwuf. He went deeply into the explanation of that subject, in the book Kitab al-Wasiya p. 27-32.

Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 H./1072 CE)

Imam al-Qushayri said about Sufism, “Allah made this group the best of His saints and He honored them above all of His Servants after His Messengers and Prophets, and He made their hearts the secrets of His Divine Presence and He chose them from among the Nation to receive His Lights. They are the means of humanity. He cleaned them from all connnections to this world, and He lifted them to the highest states of vision. And He unveiled to them the Realities of His Unique Oneness. He made them to observe His Will operating in them. He made them to shine in His Existence and to appear as Lights of His Lights.” [ar-Risalat al-Qushayriyya, p. 2]

Imam Ghazali (450-505 H./1058-1111 CE)

Imam Ghazali,  Hujjat ul-Islam, the Proof of Islam, said about Sufism, “I knew to be true that the Sufis are the seekers in Allah’s Way, and that their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence.” [al-Munqidh min ad-Dalal, p. 131].

Imam Nawawi (620-676 H./1223-1278 CE)

Imam Nawawi said, in his Letters, al-Maqasid, “The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are five:

To keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private;To follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) by actions and speech;To keep away from dependence on people;To be happy with what Allah gives you, even if it is little;To always refer your matters to Allah, Almighty and Exalted.” [Maqasid at-Tawhid, p. 20]

Imam Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi (544-606 H./1149-1209 CE)

Imam Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi said, “The way the Sufis seek Knowledge is to disconnect themselves from this worldly life, and keep themselves constantly busy in their mind and in their heart, with Dhikrullah, during all their actions and behaviors.” [Ictiqadat Firaq al-Muslimin, p. 72, 73]

Ibn Khaldun (733-808 H./1332-1406 CE)

Ibn Khaldun said, “The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the Scholars among the Sahahba, Tabicin, and Tabic at-Tabicin. Its origin is to worship Allah and to leave the ornaments of this world and its pleasures.” [Muqaddimat ibn Khaldun, p. 328]

Tajuddin as-Subki

Tajuddin as-Subki (r) mentioned in his book Mucid an-Nacim, p. 190, under the chapter entitled Sufism, “May Allah praise them and greet them and may Allah make us to be with them in Paradise. Too many things have been said about them and too many ignorant people have said things which have no relation to them. And the truth is that they have left dunya and are busy with worship.”

He said, “They are the People of Allah, whose duca and prayers Allah accepts, and by means of whom Allah supports human beings.”

Jalaluddan as-Suyuti

He said in his book Ta’yad al-Haqiqat al-cAliyya, p. 57, “Sufism in itself is the best and most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to leave innovation.”

Ibn Taymiyya (661-728 H./1263-1328 CE)

In Majmaca Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, published by Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo, Vol, 11, page 497, Book of Tasawwuf, Ibn Taymiyya says: “You have to know that the rightly-guided shaikhs must be taken as guides and examples in the Dan, as they are following in the footsteps of the Prophets and Messengers. The Way (tariqat) of those shaikhs is to call people to Allah’s Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet.”

Ibn Taymiyya says on page 499 of the same volume: “The shaikhs whom we need to take as guides are our examples and we have to follow them. As when on the Hajj (the pilgrimage), one needs a guide (dalil) to reach the Kacba, these shaikhs are our guide (dalil) to Allah and our Prophet (s).”

Among the shuyukh he mentioned are: Ibrahim ibn Adham, Macruf al-Karkhi, Hasan al-Basri, Rabia al-Adawiyya, Junaid ibn Muhammad, Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, Shaikh Ahmad ar-Rafa’i, and Shaikh Bayazid al- Bistami.

Ibn Taymiyya quotes from Bayazid al-Bistami on page 510, Volume 10: “…the great Sufi shaikh, Bayazid al-Bistami, and the famous story of when he saw God in a vision (kashf) and said to Him: ‘O Allah what is the way to You?’ And Allah responded, ‘Leave yourself and come to Me.’” Ibn Taymiyya continues quoting Bayazid al-Bistami, “I shed my self as a snake sheds its skin.”

Implicit in this quotation is an indication of the need for zuhd (self-denial or abstention from the worldly life), as that was the path followed by Bayazid al-Bistami.

So we see from the above quotes, that Ibn Taymiyya was accepting many shaikhs by quoting them and urging people to follow guides to show the way to obey God and to obey the Prophet (s).

What Ibn Taymiyya Says About the Term Tasawwuf

“The crucible itself tells you, when you are strained, Whether you are gold or gold-plated copper.” Sanai.

Following is what Ibn Taymiyya said about the definition of Tasawwuf, from Volume 11, At-Tasawwuf, of Majmuca Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Dar ar-Rahmah, Cairo:

“Alhamdulillah, the use of the word tasawwuf has been thoroughly discussed. This is a term that was given to those who were dealing with that branch of knowledge (tazkiyat an-nafs and Ihsan).”

“Tasawwuf is the science of realities and states of experience. The Sufi is that one who purifies himself from everything which distracts him from the remembrance of Allah and who is so filled with knowledge of the heart and knowledge of the mind that the value of gold and stones will be equal to him. Tasawwuf safeguards the precious meanings and leaves behind the call to fame and vanity to reach the state of Truthfulness. The best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqin, as Allah mentioned them in Surat An-Nisa’, 69: “All who obey Allah and the Messenger are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah: the prophets, the sincere lovers of truth (siddiqin), the martyrs and the righteous; Ah! what a beautiful fellowship.’”

He continues about the Sufis, “They are striving to be obedient to Allah… So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of their striving. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand…”

The Sufi Cloak (khirqa)

Before proceeding to Imam Ibn Qayyim, it may be useful to say something about the wearing of the Sufi cloak. In the view of the Trustworthy, there are three categories of shaikh:

The Shaikh of the Cloak The Shaikh of the Dhikr The Shaikh of Guidance

The first two categories (The Shaikh of the Cloak and The Shaikh of the Dhikr) are really deputies of a shaikh, representing the reality of the shaikh or the tariqat through the intermediary of either the cloak or the dhikr. The Shaikh of the Cloak (Khirqah) depends on the power of the cloak to act on the murid. The murid takes his support from the cloak, which a fully realized Shaikh of Guidance has imbued with his blessings.

The murid of the Shaikh of Dhikr is supported by the dhikr, not directly by the shaikh. In these two cases, the shaikh becomes the symbol, because the real support of the murid is the cloak or the dhikr.

The highest of the three categories is the Shaikh of Guidance. He is the one who supports the murid without any intermediary, directly from himself to the murid. He is the real shaikh because, without any means, he supports and directs the murid directly through his heart. That is why Sayyidina Ahmad al-Faruqi said, “In our tariqat the shaikh guides the murid directly, unlike other tariqats which use the cloak and other means to lift up their murids.”

In the Naqshbandi Tariqat only one shaikh, the Shaikh of Guidance, is therefore accepted as possessing real authority. When that shaikh passes away, the murids must renew their initiation with his successor, to whom he has transmitted all his secrets and his inheritance from the Prophet (s) and all his predecessors in the Golden Chain.

Imam Ibn Qayyim (d. 751 H./1350 CE)

Imam Ibn Qayyim stated that, “We can witness the greatness of the people of tasawwuf in the eyes of the Salaf by what has been mentioned by Sufyan ath-Thawri (d. 161 H./777 CE). One of the greatest imams in the 2nd century and one of the foremost mujtahids, he said: “If not for Abu Hisham as-Sufi (d. 115 H./733 CE) I would never have perceived the action of the subtlest forms of hypocrisy (riya’) in the self.” (Manazil as-Sa’ireen)

Ibn Qayyim continues: “Among the best of people is the Sufi learned in fiqh.”

Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (1115-1201 H./1703-1787 CE)

Following is a quotation from Muhammad Man ar Nucmani’s book (p. 85), Ad-Dia’at al-Mukaththafa Didd ash-Shaikh Muhammad ibn cAbdul Wahhab: “Shaikh cAbdullah, the son of shaikh Muhammad ibncAbdul Wahhab, said about Tasawwuf: “My father and I don’t deny or criticize the Science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it because it cleans the external and the internal of the hidden sins which are related to the heart and the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way; and for its correction tasawwufis necessary.”

In the fifth volume of the collection of letters by Muhammad ibn cAbdul Wahhab entitled ar-Rasa’il ash-Shakhsiyya, page 11, and again on pages 12, 61, and 64, he states: “I never accused of unbelief Ibn cArabi or Ibn al-Farid for their Sufi interpretations.”

Ibn Abidin

The great scholar, Ibn cAbidin in his book Rasa’il Ibn cAbidin (p. 172-173) states: “The Seekers in this Way don’t hear except from the Divine Presence and they don’t love any but Him. If they remember Him they cry. If they thank Him they are happy. If they find Him they are awake. If they see Him they will be relaxed. If they walk in His Divine Presence, they melt. They are drunk with His Blessings. May Allah bless them.”

Shaikh Muhammad cAbduh (1265-1323 H./1849-1905 CE)

He stated, “Tasawwuf appeared in the first century of Islam and it received a tremendous honor. It cleansed the self and straightened the conduct and gave knowledge to people from the Wisdom and Secrets of the Divine Presence.” [quoted from Majallat al-Muslim, 6th ed., 1378 H, p. 24].

Shaikh Rashad Rida

He said, “Sufism was a unique pillar from the pillars of the religion. Its purpose was to cleanse the self and to take account of one’s daily behavior and to raise the people to a high station of spirituality.” [Majallat al-Manar, 1st year, p. 726].

Maulana Abul Hasan cAli an-Nadwi

Maulana Abul Hasan cAli an-Nadwi is a member of the Islamic-Arabic Society of India and Muslim countries. He said in his book, Muslims in India, written some years ago, p. 140-146, “These Sufis initiate people in Oneness and sincerity in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and in repentence from their sins and in avoidance of every disobedience to Allah, Almighty and Exalted. Their guides encourage them to move in the way of perfect Love of Allah.”

“In Calcutta, India, everyday more than 1000 people are taking initiation into Sufism.”

“Thanks to the influence of Sufi people, thousands and hundreds of thousands in India found their Lord and reached a state of Perfection through the Islamic religion.”

Abul cAla Mawdudi

He said in his book Mabadi’ al-Islam (p. 17), “Sufism is a reality whose signs are the love of Allah and the love of the Prophet (s), where one absents oneself for their sake, and one is annihilated from anything other than them. It instructs how to follow in the footsteps of the Prophet (s).”

“Tasawwuf searched for sincerity of heart, purity of intention, and trustworthiness of obedience in all of an individual’s actions.”

“Sharicah and Sufism: what is the similitude of the two? They are like the body and the soul. The body is the external shari’ah knowledge and the spirit is the internal knowledge.”

In sum, Sufism, in the present as in the past, is the effective means for spreading the reality of Islam, extending the knowledge and understanding of spirituality, and fostering happiness and peace. With it man can find himself and, in so doing, find his Lord. With it man can improve, transform, and elevate himself, and find salvation from the ignorance of this world and its misguided pursuit of some materialistic fantasy. And Allah knows best what he intends for his servants.

 Just study and come back we will discuss then!

WAHHABI PRIDE :
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Around 2010, until the social media and Internet became so widespread,the early WAHHABI salafi people of modern world used to have very high pride about the Saudi Arabia and Wahbaism as it’s official religious beliefs.
And Saudi sponsorship of salafism! They boast about Saudi Arabia and says, Makkaah and Madina follow Salafi religious beliefs and haramain can never be under a false authority.

They even said Allah removed ottomans from haramain because they are sufis and mushrik nauzubillah!

However their IQ is not working enough to understand that 360 idols resided inside Kaba for 1000+ years!, their mud filled brain not understanding, if holy lands goes to the right creed after ottomans, then how come Jerusalem fell into the hands of yahoodi far right movement?!

How come there is no successive Khalifa after ottomans?!

So the WAHHABI IQ is hijacked by Dajjal (Antichrist)!

But this pride of Wahbais came to an end recently when some scholars turn around and sought eschatology of Islam in today’s scenario. Who discovered from the hadiths that the Arabian politics is closely related to Dajjal!

Today wahabis disassociate themselves from Saudi Arabia. They say Saudi Arabia is corrupt and salafi and Saudi Arabia are different.

Because now wahabis coming to understand the reality of state lead protestant Islam and they are moving away from state controled wahabi Islam in the same way neo-protestants such as Baptists and Evangelicals moved away from CHURCH of England and opened their own circles outside of the official protestant strings!

So wake up wahabis, renew shahada with Us listen and obey us, your tawhid of yesterday is kufr, and your today’s tawhid is tomorrow’s kufr when Mahdi and Christ emerge! Hell is awaiting those who breakaway from the main body and it’s creed! (Ottoman)

The well known imams followed Sufi ways and ottomans for 700 years ,you do some homework and get back when you finish,till then don’t waste time

 There is hidden knowledge, sone special knowledge given to some sahaba that’s the reason Umar bin khattab Ra went to hudaifa r.a and and asked whether he is in the list of hypocrites

And read Bukhari, Abu huraira r.a spoke about hidden knowledge he received from the prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)

Narrated Abu Huraira (R.A):
I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah’s Apostle . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed).
[Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith121 ] 

Hafidh Ibn Hajar al Asqalani (rahimahu Allah) said in his book “Fath al Bari”, in the explanation of this hadith:
(The scholars took this type of knowledge, that he (Abu Hurairah) didn’t transmit\spread, to mean the hadiths that show the names of the Amirs (leaders) of evil, their conditions and era/period.
And Abu Hurairah used to point to some of it without declaration, fearing for himself from them, like his saying: I seek refuge to Allah from the head of the sixty, and the leadership of the youth , pointing to the khilafah of Yazid bin 
Mu’awiyyah, because it was in the year sixty after Hijrah.

 

[08:36, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Conclusion:
1- Doctor Abdul Majid or others didn’t answer the plain questions. Who were the MUJADDID, who were the amirs. Instead he said : you have your own mujaddid and salafi have their MUJADDID! But I say ok ,no problems, quote the 10 mujaddid who followed salafi aqeedha!? Quote 10 rulers (khalifas) who followed salafism. 

But they don’t want to do that! Because they cannot find more than two MUJADDID of their version who propagated Salafi ideology!

Well that’s how the Christians argued with us in our discussion with them!

2- Dr Abdul Majid said we must follow Qur’an and Hadith which is a salafi claim! They actually does not follow it! Because they don’t seem to understand how to apply it, they only understand Qur’an and Hadith like Christians understand their Bible and believe in Trinity. When we ask them to look for factual evidences they don’t want to look for it. For example we asked Christians  missionaries when they said Jesus is God, e asked them, show me on place in the new testament where Jesus was worshipped as God in the 50 years ministry of the disciples ,but they cannot show anything! They believe what their ego want . In the same way The salafis find difficult to accept Ottomans (the Sunni Hanafi Sufi) adherents as the last khalifa and JAMAH!

So we ask the question, what is the ruling system of Islam?!

Khilafa or nationalist rule? (Democracy communism etc)?

Every Muslim scholar will say khilafa!
Were Osmaniya (ottoman khilafa)?

Every Muslim will say khilafa, Ottomans were in khilafa for 700 years the longer ruling khilafa!

So the question again we ask, who are the main body and leader the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him says to be adhered to?

Historically in the Hadith we are the next question of hudaifa bin Al yaman (r.a) what if there is no main body an leader!?

Such a situation only happened in 1920s and it is so clear conscience to understand what happened on that priod is what the Hadith Is speaking about!

So we can see that dr Abdul Majid to avoid the question, he deliberately denied the fact that Ottomans were the last khilafa!
There were khilafa movement in Al Azhar, but Saudi toppled it under the pressure of Zionists and Riyadh Salafi movent came up with nationalist government! And your aqeedha and creed is sponsored by them!

3- Abdul Majid argued that the Hadith doesn’t say ahlu sunnah Wal jamah, but only JAMAH!
And he refused to seek the criteria from the Qur’an and Hadith,to understand who are Al jamah.
The followers of Qur’an and sunnah and Hadith
The followers of all khilafa rashideen (he quoted the Hadith in Arabic)
The followers of ahlul bayth (see bukhari Muslim and tirmidi)
The followers of main body and leader, see Quran 4:59 and hadiths, bukhari and Muslim quoted in my questions)
The followers of the a’imma of Islam, see 40 Hadith nawawi, Hadith start with “a-din nasihaa…”

All of this criteria fulfilled together will make a group to be “saved sect,”
All this perfectly fit only in the Osmaniya creed in the recent past and after Osmaniya there is no khilafa!

The Hadith says situation will be tainted by problems in the past rulership, and the Hadith never says there to stick to the amirs in those times! Because there were issues and leaders of the youth of paradise imam Hussain (r.a) and the later imams of madhab disassociate from the rulers of their time because some of the disobedience to the Qur’an and sunnah

The Hadith Fri. Hudaifa r.a on eschatologic events and fitnah in Muslim world , to understand it requires a deep insight to the knowledge of fitan!

So we see Dr Abdul Majid refused to go into it ! May be he don’t want his personal interests troubled by such explanation of the Hadith s.

Anyway we leave it here and those who are free to accept the truth may come forward leaving all sects and groups that lead to Hell
[08:40, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: WHOM WE SHOULD OBEY:

Quran 1:7 The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.

Quran 4:59 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

Quran 9:119 O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who are true.

Quran 36:21 Follow those who do not ask of you [any] payment, and they are [rightly] guided.

Sahih Bukhari Book 89:257 Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet said, “If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient,  for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners)* (See Hadith No. 176 and 177)  

THE LAST MAIN BODY OF MUSLIMS WAS OTTOMANS:

Every muhaddis and scholars of fiqh will take the Hadiths of jamah and it’s leader as the a’immah of the Muslims and the caliph who are agreed upon!

But dr Abdul Majid refued to accept this fact and concluded Al jamah is a mystery and they are not ahlul sunnah (the group we adhere to osmaniya)

[08:42, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: SULTAN FATIH MEHMET KHAN AL-HANAFI AN-NAQSHBANDI  (RADIYALLAHU ANHU)

The Prophet Muhammad (alaihiswalathu wa salam) said: “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!”

Narrated from Bishr al-Khath`ami or al-Ghanawi by:
Ahmad, al-Musnad 14:331 #18859 [sahih chain according to Hamza al-Zayn] al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak 4:421-422 [sahih according to him and al-Dhahabi concurred] al-Tabarani, al-Mu`jam al-Kabir 2:38 #1216 [sahih chain according to al-Haythami 6:218-219] al-Bukhari, al-Tarikh al-Kabir 2:81 and al-Saghir 1:306 Ibn `Abd al-Barr, al-Isti`ab 8:170 [hasan chain according to him] al-Suyuti, al-Jami` al-Saghir [sahih according to him]

The Ottoman Sultans and Armies, the Main Body which is quoted from Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, were Hanafis, and Naqshbandi and Qadri Sufis.

We can see that Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam, praising the Ottoman Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamah and it is this sect and creed Muslims must adhere to! .

The false Ahlu Sunna brought this days which is Wahhabis and salafis bringing the heaven of Dajjal, which is in fact Hell!

Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem:
When I say ‘Wahhabi’ it not only mean those who follow the school of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Najdi!, but also those who imitate their ideologies and ways!
Their signs are , they claim to be the followers of hanbali madhab, and their imitators claim they follow one of the four madhabs, but do not have a Shaykh of Tarbiya, do not have a Shaykh of Tasawwuf, have forgotten the ways of the Ottomans, have disconnected from the Ottomans-the Last Khalifa of Muslims and their Jamath!
When all traditional schools emphasize on Fiqh Aqeedha and Tasawwuf or Islam Iman and Ihsan, the deviated paths, the paths that are privatized for the benefits of some corrupted scholars and leaders, they reject some from deen and accept some other from the religion (deen)!

Khalifa left the authority does not mean, you abandon him his family and his royal route!, but you uphold them and their traditions until death over come you or live with it until the caliph come back!

This is for the osmanli Naksibendi Rabbani way of Wali of Allah Hazret Shaykh Abdul Kerim Al Kibrisi Ar-Rabbani (Q.S)-The inheritor of three mighty and weighty lineage of Khalifa of Wilayath and of Ahle Bayth- A Descendant of Ottoman Sulthans and of Ahlul Bayt from the lineage of Sulthanul Awliya Shaykh Muhyiddin Abdul Qadir Al-Jilani (Q.S) and Mawlana Rumi (Q.S)

By saying this, I am only helping you to unlock and remove the tie that Maseeh Dajjal (Anti-Christ) put in your heart and mind!

If you accept it is good for you, if you reject what I am inspired to say, then remember that your rejection will do no harm or loss to myself!

Truth has distinct from all errors.

Quran says: 2:256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

ISLAM IS BASED ON ALLEGIANCE- THE ROPE THAT COMING FROM ALLAH TO PROPHETS TO SAINTS AND TO THE KHALIFAS OF MUSLIMS:

On the authority of Tameem ibn Aus ad-Daree (may Allah be pleased with him):

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, The deen (religion) is naseehah (sincerity).” We said “To whom?” He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said “To Allah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.” [Muslim]

so, search for the folk, you will find their leader!

ALLAH SAYS: 2:257 Allah is the ally of those who believe. He brings them out from darknesses into the light. And those who disbelieve – their allies are Taghut. They take them out of the light into darknesses. Those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein.

So wake up… time getting too late for you

 

[08:43, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: In a conversation of Hudayfa Ibn Al Yaman (R.A) and Prophet Muhammad (s.aw), Prophet advising
Hudayfa (R.A) to follow the Way of Ottomans
Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4553.
Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman said, “People used to ask the Prophet, peace be upon him, about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things because I was afraid that they might overtake me. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, we were lost in ignorance (jahiliyyah) and evil, then Allah brought this good (i.e. Islam). Will some evil come after this good thing?’ He said, ‘Yes’ I asked, ‘And will some good come after that evil?’ He said, ‘Yes, but it will be tainted with some evil’ I asked, ‘How will it be tainted?’ He said, ‘There will be some people who will lead others on a path different from mine. You will see good and bad in them.’ I asked, ‘Will some evil come after that good?’ He said, ‘Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire.’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us.’ He said, ‘They will be from our own people, and will speak our language.’ I asked, ‘What do you advise me to do if I should live to see that?’ He said, ‘Stick to the main body (jama’ah) of the Muslims and their leader (imam).’ I asked, What if there is no main body and no leader?’ He said, ‘Isolate yourself from all of these sects, even if you have to eat the roots of trees until death overcomes you while you are in that state.’ “

From the Above Hadith, without doubt, we understand that Prophet (s.a.w) referring to the last Khalifa before it was abolished in 1925.
Last Khilafat was of Ottomans, Prophet (s.a.w) advising, if you cannot find Ottomans
then isolate yourself from all these sects until death reach to you

Ottomans were upon Hanafi Madhab and Sufi Tariqah, following ahlu sunnah wal Jamah-the main creed of Islam.We are Ottoman Naqshbandi, we follow Ottoman Tariqah, Ottoman Shaykhs,
Ottoman Way and Ottoman Madhab (Hanafi)

It is clear that who is on the most authentic path and who is on the tainted paths!
Whoever disconnected from Ottomans have tainted paths!
Otherwise,have courage to say sahih Muslim Hadith is fabricated!

So if you are against Ottomans, against Khalifas, against their way and methods, then you are from somewhere else!
And the Hadith explains from where you are and your destiny!

Claiming to be just a sunni or ahlu sunna or any other group does not make anyone on right path or on saved sect!
The signs and rules of the saved sect is mentioned in various ahadith!
You cannot take individual hadith, but the Hadith that speak about end of Times, and lay down the points you will get a clear picture.

The Main body of Muslims and their Imam means Muslims and their Khalifa.
The last in the line were Ottomans, and even if there is no Kbaifa, still you have to keep the ways of the main body of Muslims and their Imams, the last one in authority on Muslims were Ottomans (as Quran says 4:59), so the last one/closest one for Muslims to follow is the way of Ottomans.

If Prophet (s.a.w) ordered his Sahabi (Companion/Salaf) to follow the Imams of the times, then what about you and me, the low level Muslims?
You claim directly follow salaf (sahaba), but Sahaba were ordered to follow the Imams of the times, this is another proof to prove that Wahhabiya/Salafiya is impostors and liars, whom Prophet (s.a.w) referring in the above Hadith, to stay away from!
“they are from our own people and speak our language”
Prophet (s.a.w) was not Iraqi or Irani!, so the message is clear, whoever respond to the call of Wahabiya, will be thrown into hell fire!

Since throwing into hell fire is an act of Dajjal in the End of Times (after Khalifa has gone), Wahhabiya is a trap established by Dajjal and his party!

But people think and believe that entering in Wahhabiya/salafiya is entering in the way of Salaf!

The hadith in bukhari says: people think Dajjal thrown a man into hell, infact he fell into heaven, and those who think Dajjal thrown into heaven actually fell in hell fire!
As the above Hadith says: ‘Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire.’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us.’ He said, ‘They will be from our own people, and will speak our language.’

This is very clear for anyone to understand, today Wahhabis are those who accuse shirk and kufr on Muslims!, so people think Muslims are in hell but the wahhabi, Prophet (s.a.w) mentioned in the above Hadith in Sahih Muslim, are the real people who throw others into hell!

Dajjal will kill a person once and then bring him back to life, then he will ask him, “Do you believe that I am God?” That person will reply, “No! I am convinced that you are the Dajjaal of which the Prophet (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) informed us”. Dajjaal will throw him in his fire, which in reality will be Paradise.The narrator of this Hadith is Abu Is-haaq who says: It is commonly known that this person would be Khidr. (Sahih Muslim)

Sahih Bukhari says: Volume 9, Book 88, Number 239:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:The Prophet said, “Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Medina will shake thrice whereupon every Kafir (disbeliever) and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him.”According to Saudi laws, a non-Muslim cannot enter in Madinah or Makkah!
Then how come Munafiq and disbelievers in Madinah, who follow Dajjal?
It is clear from the Wahhabi belief, they believe in a God, who has hand feet and sit on the chair (throne) , also Christian believe in a god with human nature (of having hand, flesh, feet body etc)
Refer Daniel 7:25 on wards, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 on wards!

So it will be Wahhabis who will be tricked by Dajjal!

Ahlu Sunnah Believe: There is nothing like Allah” refer Sura Ikhlas!

But Dajjal have made a Kitab Tawheed to counterfeit Original Kitab Tawheed (Al Quran) to deceive people, whom ALLAH has pre-destined to be deceived!
[08:47, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: NEw topic for everyone:
BELIEVERS VS HYPOCRITES:

HYPOCRITES HEART US DEAD, IT DOESN’T MOVE WHEN THE PROPHET’S (PEACE AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH BE UPON HIM) NAME IS MENTIONED!:
Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir (d.129 AH) Seeks HELP from the GRAVE of the Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم)
Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir (d.129 AH) (d.747 AD) was sixth teacher of Imam Malik (ra) (d.179 AH) (d.795 AD), who also taught himextreme love for the Holy Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم). Whenever the name of the Holy Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم) was mentioned in the presence of Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir, tears would begin to flow in his eyes

SALAF vs SALAFI:

[08:47, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: New topic for everyone:
BELIEVERS VS HYPOCRITES:

HYPOCRITES HEART US DEAD, IT DOESN’T MOVE WHEN THE PROPHET’S (PEACE AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH BE UPON HIM) NAME IS MENTIONED!:
Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir (d.129 AH) Seeks HELP from the GRAVE of the Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم)
Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir (d.129 AH) (d.747 AD) was sixth teacher of Imam Malik (ra) (d.179 AH) (d.795 AD), who also taught him extreme love for the Holy Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم). Whenever the name of the Holy Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم) was mentioned in the presence of Muhammad Ibn Al Munkadir, tears would begin to flow in his eyes.

Muhammad Ibn al-Munkadir – one of the Tabi’in – used to place his cheek on the noble grave of the Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم). And when asked about that he said, “I find certain thoughts that disturb me, so I Seek HELP from the grave of the Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم).”

[Recorded by Imam Dhababi in his Siyar (5:358-59) and Ibn ‘Asakir in his Tarikh Dimashq (56:50-51). They did not say this was shirk, or make any other negative comment.]

Further narrations of the reverence of other great Tabi`een and pious predecessors are found in the book of Ibn Qunfudh al-Qusantini al-Maliki (d. 810 H) Wasilat al-islam bi al-nabi `alayhi al-salat wa al-salam:

“It was the practice of the Pious Predecessors and the Imams of the past that whenever the Prophet صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم was mentioned in their presence they were overwhelmed by reverence, humbleness, stillness, and dignity. Ja`far ibn Muhammad ibn `Ali ibn al-Husayn ibn `Ali ibn Abi Talib (Ja`far al-Sadiq) would turn pale whenever he heard the Prophet صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم mentioned. Imam Malik would not mention a hadith except in a state of ritual purity. `Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr al-Siddiq would turn red and stammer whenever he heard the Prophet صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّم mentioned. As for `Amir ibn `Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr ibn al-`Awamm al-Asadi (note: one of the many early Sufis), he would weep until his eyes had no tears left in them. When any hadiths were mentioned in their presence they would lower their voices. Malik said: ‘His sacredness (hurmat) is in death is as his sacredness was in life.'”

Source: Abu al-`Abbas Ahmad ibn al-Khatib, known as Ibn Qunfudh al-Qusantini al-Maliki, Wasilat al-islam bi al-nabi `alayhi al-salat wa al-salam (The means of Islam with the Prophet, peace be upon him) (Beirut: Dar al-gharb al-islami, 1404/1984) p. 145-146.

[08:57, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: That’s why 72 sects are not one body , they reject truth and ways of salaf!. Their salaf following is a made up sect like the sects in ahlul kitaab!
Today’s salafis says to today’s Sunnis that it is shirk to do all THIS!
Which means they are making that tabi’een also a mushrik!

That’s how it ho it will be written for them in their book of deeds!

That’s how Allah’s collective judgement!
Because believers are One body! (sahih Hadidh)

So we when you call today’s believer mushrik for an act done by s believer from tabi’een, you are making that one body (JAMAH\) a mushrik!
That’s why I say wahabi and Salafi not in the fold of ahlul sunnah or JAMAH!

We need some IQ when we study Deen!

DISTINGUISH AL JAMAH:

[11:40, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: DISTINGUISH AL JAMAH (SAVED GROUP) FROM MANY JAMAH (SECTS)

A QUESTIONNAIRE AND KEY ANSWERS TO IDENTIFY AL-JAMAH (SAVED SECT)
“Al Jamah” (Saved group and other sects can be distinguished today by asking answers for the questions below::

1- Whether they accept celebrating Mawlid Nabi (alaihiswalathu wa salam) as a virtuous deed, because all Imams and Khalifas of the Main Body of Muslims celebrated Mawlid Nabi Shareef.  

We have another article Click  HERE to prove that the A’immah of Islam declared Mawlid as a virtuous act!

2- Whether they follow the Ahlu Sunna Wal Jamah Imams and Sunni Schools of Madhab.

3- Whether they Follow Schools of Tazkiya (Sufism/Tasawwuf)

4- Whether they accept Ahlul Bayt as legitimate heirs of the Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) after Abu Bakar (R.A), Umar (R.A), Usman (R.A) and Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib (R.A)

5- Whether they accept Major Hadith Books and it’s teachings as true.

6- Whether they believe in Prophets life in the graves!

If their answers are “yes” to all, then they are ahlu sunna wal jamah, as stated “Al Jamah” in Quran (4:59) and in Hadith (Main body)

If their answers is no to all of these , then they should be from unbelievers, if they answer “No” to some, then they must be “hypocrite/strayed people” from right path!

Summary: So if they answer “no” to some of this questions or all of these questions, then stay out from them, even if you find no friends and relatives to love and take care you. Isolate yourself from all these sects and groups!

Because:
1- If they say celebrating Mawlid is wrong and sinful act, and bidha and misguidance and error, then they are saying to you indirectly that, all Imams were misguided and strayed, they are saying, Khalifas of Islam (Like Ottoman Sultans, Abbasid Sultans and so on are in error)
Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) celebrated his birthday every Monday by fasting, Sahaba celebrated by reciting prayers in gathering.
See Hadith : It was narrated that Abu Sa’id Al Khudri (R.A) said: Mua’wiya (Radiyallahu ta’ala Anhu) said: “The Messenger of Allah (alaihiswalathu wa salam) went out to a circle -meaning ,of his companions- and said: ‘What are you doing?’
They said: ‘We have come together to pray to Allah and praise Him for guding us to His religion, and blessings us with you’.
He said: ‘I ask you ,by Allah, is that the only reason?
They said: “By Allah,we have not come together for any other reason..
He (Nabi Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa salam) said:I am not asking you to swear an oath because of any suspicion; rather Jibreel (A.S) came to me and told me that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, is boasting of you to the angels.(Sahih).
Reference: Sunan an-Nasa’i Vol 6Hadith 5428, Darussalam Publications (Saudi-Salafi publications)

2- If they say following Madhab is wrong or if they do not follow one, they are meaning that all Imams like Imam Shafi, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Ahmad, Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Abu Dawud and many other Imams are wrong!.
The Hadith in Bukhari describe this heretics who deny Madhabs and think they follow salaf, as Khawaariji people, “they talk as if they are best people, but they go out of Islam” (Sahih Bukhari)
See Narrated ‘Ali: I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. they will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari Book 61, Hadith 577)

Narrated hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah’s Apostle about good, but I used to ask him about evil for fear that it might overtake me. Once I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We were in ignorance and in evil and Allah has bestowed upon us the present good; will there by any evil after this good?” He said, “Yes.” I asked, “Will there be good after that evil?” He said, “Yes, but it would be tained with Dakhan (i.e. Little evil).” I asked, “What will its Dakhan be?” He said, “There will be some people who will lead (people) according to principles other than my tradition. You will see their actions and disapprove of them.” I said, “Will there by any evil after that good?” He said, “Yes, there will be some people who will invite others to the doors of Hell, and whoever accepts their invitation to it will be thrown in it (by them).” I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Describe those people to us.” He said, “They will belong to us and speak our language” I asked, “What do you order me to do if such a thing should take place in my life?” He said, “Adhere to the group of Muslims and their Chief.” I asked, “If there is neither a group (of Muslims) nor a chief (what shall I do)?” He said, “Keep away from all those different sects, even if you had to bite (i.e. eat) the root of a tree, till you meet Allah while you are still in that state.” *(Sahih Bukhari,Book 56, Hadith 803)

3- Following the way of Spiritual Purification (Tasawwuf) is not taught in Fiqh (Jurisprudence) books. Rather it is acquired by following Spiritual guides. (see Quran 17:80-81)

4- The importance of following, loving and keeping strong bond with Ahlul Bayth is mentioned in detail in Sahih Muslim, Musnad Ahmad, Jami At-Tirmidhi, Al Aswat, Al Mustradak Al Hakim etc
Hadith jami at-Tirmidi ,Darussalam Publications (Wahhabi publications)
Hadith Number 3788: The Messenger of Allah (alaihiswalathu wa salam) said: “ Indeed, I am leaving among you, that which if you hold fast to them, you shall not be misguided after me, one of them is greater than the other:The Book of Allah is a rope extended from the sky to the earth, and my family -the people of my house-and they shall not split until they meet me at Hawd, so look at how you deal with them after me” (Sahih)

It is also mentioned in , Quran 4:59*O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.

You must be patient with them:
See Bukhari book 89: Hadith 251 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah, and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me.”

Sahih Bukhari Book 89 Hadith 257 Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet said, “If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners). (See Hadith No. 176 and 177)

5- Accepting Hadith is very important and commanded by the Messenger of Allah (alaihiswalathu wa salam)
Quran is the Word of Allah, Hadiths are the explanations and teachings of the Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam.
See 4:59,
Also, see  Quran 4:65 But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.

6– Prophets are alive in their Graves, Prophet Muhammad alaihihiswalathu wa salam saw, Sayyidina Musa (AS) praying in his grave during Al Isra wal Miraj .
Sahih Muslim Anas reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I happened to pass by Moses as he was busy in saying prayer in his grave, and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of ‘Isa there is an addition of these words:, I happened to pass on the occasion of the Night journey.” in the hadith pertaining to Yunus (peace be upon him) the words of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) are:” It is not meet for a, servant that he should say:” I am better than Yunus (jonah) son of Matta.” (Book 30, Hadith 5859)

Quran 2:154 And do not say of whomever are killed in the way of Allah, ” (They are) dead.” No indeed, they are alive but you are not aware.

Quran 3:169 Think not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

Finally, accept Islam and it’s call, completely!
Quran 2 :208 O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.

73 SECTS FOLLOWS SOME OF ISLAM AND REJECT OTHER FROM ISLAM:

Quran 2:85…. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.  

There are other points, like Isthighasa (asking help from those who veiled from this world), as we see Prophet Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa salam, asking help from Musa (A.S) in fixing Muslim ritual prayers during Al Isra Wal Miraj, but this is enough to understand saved sect from false sects!

Wa Salamun alal Mursaleen
Walhamdulillahi Rabbil Aalameen

All this facts prove Salafi is not ahlu sunnah Wal jamah, but fall under the categories of 72 Sects!

Qur’an command you to think , observe and accept the TRUTH!

Osmaniya creed the last main body and leaders who belong to Hanafi Sufi Sunni creed! 
 Moreover the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him says in authentic hadiths in bukhari and Muslim that the faith is in ss,_Sham and yemen!

And hardness of the heart Is in Najd where the horn of satan appears! 

See Sahih bukhari and Sahih muslim! And now do the research what is the creed of the Shami and yemni Sunni scholars!? 

Show me the Najdi creed!
Are scholars of Islam in as-sham and yemen salafi hereditary or Sunni madhab hereditary? 
(A) Shafi Hanafi Sufi
(B) salafi wahabi

Answer now!

[11:46, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Assalamualaykum,
MY dear please do not push me for something I do not believe.
If you want to discuss this subject then answer my questions first:

1. The QUR’AN you quoted where does it say the name of Jama’ah?
2. The hadith you quoted where is the name of Jama’ah in it?
3. The sahabah, imams, and scholars are ulool amri, what is the name of their Jama’ah from the Qur’an and hadith?
4. What was the name of the Jama’ah of our four khalifah?
5. What was the name of the Jama’ah of our four imams?

[11:47, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Islam Channel: Did sahabah call themselves Sufies?
Did our four imams call themselves Sufies? Who called himself as sufi amongst the sahabah, amongst the imams?

 

(Abdul Majid is diverting from the topic and throwing back to me, a simple logic to understand his rejection of the truth is, let him bring up the a’immah , mian body and jamah who were not followers of four madhabs and tasawwuf schools when they were formed as schools of knowledge, he is not doing that, he is running away from the questions. or at least let him bring his a’immah his mujaddids for the past 01 centuries his main body and leaders who were not madhab following sufis!)

Saudi salafi scholar refutes Dr Majid in this video lecture, watch on youtube! his statement directly prove madhab following sufi creed is the main body and so the creed that is not with tasawwuf  (sufism) is in 72 misguided sects!

Watch here: 23:49 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YakXuCAlC0Y

 

Dr Abdul Majid rolls on the ground:

[11:48, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: So who are the people who are mentioned in the Hadith? Who are they l? What is the ruling system of Islam?

[11:48, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You tell me?

[11:48, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Khilafa or nationalist?
You says that you cannot see or understand! I’m asking a question according to the Islamic knowledge
 What is the ruling system of Islam and who held the last caliphate  What is the explanation of scholars on the Hadith Zz main body and leader? Whoever is separate rfom the Jamah, that is a part of Hadith! What did scholars of Hadith say about “jamah and leader”?About whom it is pertaining to? Dr Abdul Majid I expect a commitment from you in scholarly levelHow did ahlul Hadith understood the words “jamah ” and it’s leader?  Who are they ?

[11:53, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Answer my question. You started talking to me about Jama’ah. You have not answered my question of Jama’ah. First let us agree with Jama’ah then I will discuss further. Any person who can read Arabic or English can see that none if your evidence mention the name of Jama’ah and certainly Sufism is not found in around first 300 years of Islam. YOUR Islam and your doctrine and your Sufism is an innovation. Give the name of the Jama’ah followed by sahabah, or imams. Do not talk this or that.

(the lecture of saudi salafi scholar already refuted Dr Abdul Majid’s arguments and he is just throwing back the Questions)!

[11:53, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Can you provide zn constructive answer
You said yesterday you don’t think Al jamah and leaders are not khilafa of Islam! That’s why I ask you now!
 We are not discussing Sufism on this part. I have been asking you since yesterday, who are Al jamah and leaders according to imams of ahadith

[11:55, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid ISLAM Channel: You ask Ahlus hadith. I am not representing Ahlus hadith. Where did I say I am Ahlus hadith or salaf or wahabi? You understand that I am!

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[11:55, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Once you tell us who are they ,then comes the discussion on salafi or Sufi matters!

[11:55, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : But you are such, this certain. You prove to me your evidence from the Qur’an and hadith or from sahabah

[11:56, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: I m not talking the sect ahlul Hadith! I am asking the scholars of Hadith, buhari,muslim, tirmidi, Ahmad, Ibn hajr, hytami, asqalani and do on
 Not chai waala ahlul Hadith, What does the classical scholars of Hadith says in their book that explains the Hadiths,who are Jamah and it’s leaders?

[11:57, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : I am asking you that bring me the statement of the scholars you have listed above that they called themselves sufies

[11:57, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: You said yesterday that it’s not khilafa and the Jamah!
 Will people themselves call anything titles? (see Abdul Majid’s school level arguemets again)!

[11:58, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : I am again asking you what was the name of the khalifah and Jama’ah?

[11:58, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: I don’t know anyone call themselves Sunni or Sufi even today It’s getting school boy level again,Only today’s salafis call themselves Salafi

[11:59, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Yes but I am not salafi 

(Abdul Majid is answering questions that i did not ask him, but refuse to answer the Questions i asked him)

[11:59, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Even today’s Sufi shaykhs doesn’t say I m Sufi, are we everyday saying everywhere we are Muslim?. Please Dr Abdul Majid,stick to the topics!. Yesterday you plainly denied the fact that main body and leader is not khilafa and it’s party!

[12:00, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : You are sufi then it is good. Hold on it till your death. Allah will judge us as Sufies, salafies, wahabies etc.  I am telling you now let us agree with name of the Jama’ah of any khalifah of any era? Then we can go ahead.

[12:14, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Agree according to the Hadith I quoted, which is relevant to our generation
 I have already answered all your questions,either you choose to ignore it or you cannot see it

(The Hadith we discussed from Sahabi Hudahifa bin al Yaman R.A points to the last khilafa/main body and amir and a period which will come without main body and leader in Arabia, but Abdul Majid want to discuss khilafa of any era, Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam did not tell us to stick to the khilafa of any era, the Porphetic  knowledge in this Hadith is a special knowledge with signs of the end of times and the impact of evil on the Muslim world!, but Abdul Majid want to twist it and waste time going back and forth to khilaf or any era, which is to divert from the topic and to reject the truth, a trick of the ego, i had similar experience of diversion of topics from missionaries)!

 

[12:16, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Give me the answer and explanation
[12:16, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Your question itself is refuted by a famous contemporary scholar
[12:17, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : The name of the Jama’ah?

[12:18, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: I can see a bir of double standard in your arguments Dr Abdul Majid☝🏼
 My question is not about were there Salafi or Sufi in the time of sahaba! There were not even six Sahih in the time of sahaba, so why are you accepting bidha of Sahih bukhari,sunan Abu dawood ETC! When sahaba didn’t make their sunan s

[12:18, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Is it salafies? Is it Sufies? Is it ……?

[12:19, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Please stick to the original question, don’t divert constantly! Did I say anywhere the main body is Sufi? I asked you a question, who are the main body and leader about whom the prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, says to hudaifa r.a ?

[12:20, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid Uslsm Channel: My argument is from your question you said LEADERS or khalifah? Ulool amri? Jama’ah

[12:20, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: You responded to me by saying that Al jamah and leader is not ahlu sunnah,

[12:21, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Yes this my argument. Prove to me from this hadith who the Jama’ah

[12:21, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: I then clarifies my questions and asked you the opinion of those who narrated that Hadith, what did they understand by the word ‘jamah and leader”?And there you diverted to Sufism again and repeatedly asking me ” Is it salafies? Is it Sufies? Is it ……?*

[12:22, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Yes I am still saying that that they did not call themselves with any such names which you are talking about. Why did not they give name

[12:23, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: What did the scholars of Hadith say , the definition of Al Jamah and amir?
Is that khalifas and their allies? Yes/no?

(Abdil Majid does not want to admit the fact that, we the main body, khilafa, amirs, a’immah of the Muslims were followers of the four madhabs and shaykhs of tasawwuf and we cannot find any hadith chain without sufi lineage in it!. we cannot even find hadith books published by Salafi Darussalam publishers without the names of some Sufi shaykhs in it)!

I had to quote first question again…and Abdul Majid replies back! see below:

[12:25, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdu Majid: I told you that I do not want explanation,Every Tom and Harry has his explanation , Just answer my question

[12:26, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: “Adhere to the main group and cheif, then sahabi asked what if there is no main boy and cheif ” This situation only happened in 1920s when Osmaniya khilafa came to end!

So anyone not with Square head can understand the group prophet Muhammad peace be upon him told us to adhere to is Osmaniya khilafa. So. If Osmaniya khilafa is not the main body and leader.then who are they according to your understanding? And give references from scholars.  And if Osmaniya is that khilafa ,then it’s the time you ask this question,was th khilafa salafi or Sufi ,were they Hanafi or wahabi etc !
And you tell me the truth now! Answer the questions: I have answered your questions and you are unable to answer me back why the answer is not acceptable to you!

[12:30, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Who was Othman and what was the name of his Jama’ah

[12:30, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: There are other people reading this let them review and I wish to send this as PDF document to other scholars in the different groups!

 Do you agree that Osmaniya is that last khilafa?

(Abdul Majid put aside his IQ and scholarship and just talking and arguing, no answers to my questions and he repeatedly asking very basic questions)

 As Dr Abdul Majid continued to divert from the topic and avoiding my questions, his fellow speaker in Research Institute of Abrahamic Faith, Mr Soban Anwar enters to attack Ottomans and later ran away from the discussion and blocked me from the whatsapp messenger! see below:

[12:31, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: You have no answer Tomy questions, you are asking more and more questions and diverting! Do you agree that the Ottomans were Hanafi Sufi Naqshbandi Qadri?

[12:32, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: My argument is from the root. YOUR have no root nor shoot

[12:32, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: My argument is form the root from the Qur’an and Hadith Not from the history written by unbelievers!

[12:33, 12/2/2018]  Soban Anwar , Research Institute of Abrahamic Faiths, UK+ 44 78: i hear lots of affection for otomons and no doubt i have respect for them but to take them as exemplary khilafa is a bit naieve. i just have one question- were the sultans of gods apointed khilafa so busy that not even one could do hajj apart from hameed who was in the dying days of khilafa?

[12:33, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: I am least bothered regarding Sufies naqshbandies or quarries.

[12:34, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Soban Your questions is same as missionaries asked me couple of times, You both fit into same group! Your proof is history from unbelievers, just as they Question the marriage of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him!

[12:35, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: You cannot give me name from the Qur’an and hadith and lying to people that your root is based on the Qur’an and hadith. Stop lying. My argument is the give the name of the Jama’ah from the Qur’an and hadith or from sahabah and four imams!


[12:35, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Our proof is the Hadith ,Did they Ottomans reject hajj as outside of Islam?


[12:36, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Again do not lie upon hadith. You will loose your iman. Hadith does not say the name of the Jama’ah existing now


[12:36, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: You guys go to a fiqh when talk about aqidha. Just as the missionary run to beheading and Taliban when seriously talk about beliefs!


[12:36, 12/2/2018] +44 78 Soban Anwar : if the heads of institution were not following the basic pillars then what can we expext from their rule?


[12:36, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Did ottomans believe hajj is not necessary?

[12:37, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Did you follow the first question soban!? Why don’t you arrange a day and sit and Talk?
[12:37, 12/2/2018] +44 Soban Anwar: Ali we are brothers so please leave out slander!

(A fool who slander Ottomans saying we are brothers and leave out slander, plain hypocrisy!)


[12:38, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Let me have some fun  with you wahabis. So you are replacing missionary now!


[12:38, 12/2/2018] +44 Soban Anwar: i have asked a basic question respectfully. i am asking from a perspective where i want to learn! so please answer my question!

[12:40, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Soban Anwar, you have asked a  question in your false prejudice and arrogance, We are only bringing proof for Ottomans based on that clear Hadith. And you are bringing proof against Ottomans from Hadith? Or from the unbelievers? I though you suppose to take knowledge from only salafi what a hypocrisy

(Soban Anwar is copying your questions from missionaries to attack Osmaniya Khalifas, and have no shame! What question you have from your own self> and bring proofs from some legitimate sources?)

Dr Abdul Majid: I will can just give one answer and that will be from the Qur’an and in sha Allah it will be clear the people in this group. Every believer of Allah since prophet Adam pbuh till our for Imaams. They all were calling themselves only MUSLIMS. EVEN NON-MUSLIMS ADDRESSED THEM AS MUSLIMS.

Discover Islam: Abdul Majid here took another school boy arguments again and asking about Prophets and Imams,addressed as Muslim!

No one denying that Dr Abdul Majid. But you are twisting the topic and lying! Did’t the a’immah of khalaf (successors) who came after Salaf, call themselves as Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and hanbali?

if not then bring evidences , as you are the book scholar, read your books and bring evidences!
Did Allah call believers only Muslim in the Quran?

Didn’t Quran say: “Ya Bani Israel”? O Children of Israel

The school boy understanding problem! 

Bani Israel where Muslims, Bani Umayyah were Muslim, bani Osmani were Muslim, Aal Hanafiya are Muslim, aal shafi is Muslim, aal Maliki is Muslim!
O no, I am tired of taking school tution for Dr Abdul Majid   here!

Arguing on a matter with very low IQ! I asked him to show me the a’immah of Islam after the salaf who called themselves as “just Muslim” and not “hanafi.shafi, maliki, hanbali!?

I asked him two quote 10 Mujaddid of his choice from salaf to this day who were only “Muslim” and not Hanafi-Shafi-Maliki-Hanbali-Sufi!

But he is running away, not seeing the video proof from Saudi university scholar Dr Musa Al Sharif who says: “We seldom find any religious scholars who were not a Sufi”

At this point salafis Dr Abdul Majid and Soban Anwar were dragging me to bull fight, because that’s what anyone will do when they loose a debate!

NOW THE SCHOOL BOY MENTALITY COMING OUT FROM SOBAN ANAWAR- RESERACH INSTITUTE OF ABRAHAMIC FAITH

So I was very annoyed with his hypocrisy and kufr, that he disbelieve in the Prophetic instructions to follow the last main body and it’s leader and he slandered Ottoman khilafa!

Later I answered him and he ran away, blocked me and existed from the discussion! read below! Those who read this post understand this is the pathetic state of those who follow 72 misguided sects! lacks honesty, integrity, wisdom and decency! 

[12:54, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: I have questions to you to you to build an answer for you! All this hypocrisy you are displaying today , tomorrow when you go to preach t the Christians, that time it will reflect on you when you talk to them! So then read Qur’an 60:1-3 The double standard will manifest

[12:55, 12/2/2018] +44 Soban Anwar: I don’t like to make things complicated you should just be a yes or no answer and regarding your assertion that they did go for Hajj I would like you to point out to your source

[12:55, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: What you want to do with my answer?And with the. Hadith of the prophet? Are you saying your knowledge about ottomans are better than the prophet?Are you saying that prophet made a mistake by saying to stick to the main body and leader?

[13:03, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Who are the last khalifa?
Who are the jamah In this Hadith the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ask us to adhere to? The Questions Soban asked me  was asked by Asif  a few days back! Because you salafis quoting questions from unbelievers to attack khilafa!

[13:47, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : Assalamualaykum. Let us understand the hadith first. It is very clear and we do not need stupid explanations.

 1. Before Islam people were evil in jahiliyah.

[13:48, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Will get to answer soban question according to the Qur’an and Hadith in regards to ottoman era.

[13:48, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : 2. Islam came and people became MUSLIMS. NOT SECT WAS MENTIONED IN THE HADITH NOR SECT WAS EXISTING AT THAT TIME.

[13:49, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Let Abdul Majid answer my questions,who are the main body and leader, are they referring to khalifa, if yes, then who are the last khilafa, ? And we take it from his answers

Dr Abdul Majid  3. Then evil will come. This evil is not at the time of our khalifas.

[13:50, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Good he is working out 

[13:51, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid l: 5. The evil will come again mixture of good and evil.
 6. Then the main question came: about WHOM TO BE CALLED AS JAMA’AH OR WHOM TO BE FOLLOWED OR WHOM TO BE CONNECTED WITH
 The beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAAM. HE SAID JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SECTS, OR GROUPS, OR SALAFIES OR SUNNIS OR HANAFIES OR MALKIES OR SHAFIES OR HANBALIES. NOR EVEN CHISTIES, SEHERWARDIES, NAQSHBANDIES OR QADRIES.
7. Only JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM.
 8. Then another main question raised: What to be followed if there is NO PURE JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM? then the answer came from our beloved Prophet pbuh that DO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ANY OF THESE SO CALLED ARTIFICIAL JAMA’AH. ISOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM
9. HE DID NOT SAY that stick to Sufies or osmanies, abbasies, ummayyids, etc

My question is that I am following the last part of the hadith where our beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. IF IT IS NOT ITS PURITY THEN ISOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM.

10. Today everybody is beating around tge bush claiming that: THEY ARE THE PURE JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM IS THE TRUE IMAM.
 11. Everyone is trying to refute others.

Who is the Purest Jama’ah of Muslims?

 We are all disputing the Qur’an and hadith and sahabah gave us the solution.

[13:50, 12/2/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: 4. The khalifah were MUSLIMS AND NO SECT, NO JAMA’AH ONLY JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS.

(Above Abdul Majid bring up his Shia stype doctrine and he want to follow only purest Jamah and he want to stay away from the artifical Jamah!, isn’t Wahhabism, Tabligh, Jamath Islamic etc artificial Jamah?, Those Jamah without any affiliation to Khilafa and main body! no affiliation to the a’immah of the Muslims?,  We are refuting Abdul Majid below, read)

[17:09, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: now 17.08 GMT .after i left 1.10 PM GMT all what Dr Abdul Majid speaker on Islam channel QA could bring was 11 school level opinions. but here I have to tell about Why Osmaniya sultans dint go for hajj, that will be discussed no more than 100 words, but back to the 12 points of abdul Majid now!

[17:11, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Abdul Majid says : [13:55, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: The beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAAM. HE SAID JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SECTS, OR GROUPS, OR SALAFIES OR SUNNIS OR HANAFIES OR MALKIES OR SHAFIES OR HANBALIES. NOR EVEN CHISTIES, SEHERWARDIES, NAQSHBANDIES OR QADRIES.
[13:56, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: 7. Only JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM.
[13:58, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: 8. Then another main question raised: What to be followed if there is NO PURE JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM? then the answer came from our beloved Prophet pbuh that DO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ANY OF THESE SO CALLED ARTIFICIAL JAMA’AH. ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM
[13:59, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: 9. HE DID NOT SAY that stick to Sufies or osmanies, abbasies, ummayyids, etc
[14:01, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: My question is that I am following the last part of the hadith where our beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. IF IT IS NOT ITS PURITY THEN ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM.
[14:03, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: 10. Today everybody is beating around tge bush claiming that: THEY ARE THE PURE JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM IS THE TRUE IMAM.
[14:03, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: 11. Everyone is trying to refute others.
[17:12, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: [14:01, 12/2/2018] Abdul Majid Luton: My question is that I am following the last part of the hadith where our beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. IF IT IS NOT ITS PURITY THEN ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM.
here abdul Majid says he want to stay away from main body and claims ottomans and others were not in it’s purity

[17:13, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: where did he get proof for this statement? It look like Abdul Majid hold shia view of infallibility, thats why he want to follow his own idea that all khalifa and main body must be completely pure/infallible/holy But ahlu sunna creed believe other than the Prophets everyone else make mistake
So can abdul Majid bring evidence for his claim? because he is a formal scholar, we are not in the category of scholars (Ulama) but we are ahlu tasawwuf! I need all this points to be go on my article to be published titled “Discovering islam from 73 sects” and this debate will be a chapter in it, because I started this with an aim a niyyah

So Abdul Majid basically says his view is superior to the Mujaddid and A’imma who lived in the Ottoman period , about seven centuries, who were supporters of Osmaniya Khilafa, there cannot be seen any Fatwa against Osmaniya Khilafa!

As for the matter of Hajj pilgrimage of khalifa, only this 21st century square heads raised that issues!
Not any well known scholars criticise Khilafa for not going for Hajj, because there are Imams and shaykh al islams and khalifa couldnt go for Hajj, there must be a reason and advise from the a’imma and shaykh al islam of that time!

[17:21, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: those who pretend as researchers of abrahamic faith and hold responsible position in muslim community acting like hypocrites here
 so quote one scholars who condemned osmania khilafa sultans not going for hajj t,hey did not go for hajj , nor travelled outside of that city in special days for obvious reasons, what do you know about istanbul and its strategic position! Go and study History and international relations and then speak!
they dnt know who is the main body and leader they dont have any references from scholarship, what kind of islamic representation groups are this? i would rather go to year 8 in the school and distribute those points abdul majid quoted so on whose behalf the haramain and mosques in the muslim world were rading khutuba friday sermon?

this is why i say, this celebrity preachers in so called islam kafir channels lack adab with aimma of islam and the ahlul bayt!  this made up manners and adab they show in mosques and tv channels are fake and made up, part of profession, public relations technique of their profession/ modern career!

Dr Abdul Majid’s and salafis  words and attitude against the khilafa , ahlul bayt and imams showing that, first have some respect for our ancestors and a’imma then i will consider respecting you guys, the prophet warns this kind of group as asign of judgement day, they curse the previews generation!

 

[17:29, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: so tell me abdul majid and soban, in whose behalf the mosques in the Muslim world read khutuba Friday sermons?
who are the khalifa and and how is the friday jumah is organised according to the salaf ? read kitab al athar of imam abu hanifa r.a. isn’s the muslim world without khalifa “an innovation (bIdha)”? isnt the juma in your muslim country bidha according to your logic! ? because the logic you used to reply is same as this question to you!
 what salaf says about Juma prayers? who should organise it? who appoint the Juma ?
Can you talk from the understanding of salaf, don’t quote from later scholars since you dint agree with mujaddid ,a’imma or khilafa!

they got this argument about ottoman sultans not going for hajj from local christian missionaries,so look at their evil intention to tell common people among Muslims indirectly that the khilafa sultans did not do hajj, so they are so bad and cannot be followed! This is what Soban Anwar and salafis are doing!

 The salafi square heads not realising there were 100s of greatest scholars of their time , giving consultation for this sultans
same as this one’s hearts also closed , quran chapter 2 verses 11-17 speaks about isalahis (who claim to be muslims) but are different jamah . not the jamah of believers! because the prophet s.a.w says believers are one body!
 my questions remains unanswered!
 1- who are the jamah and leaders who followed salafi ideology?
2- who are the mujaddid for past 10 centuries who propagated salafi doctines!?
 3-who are the main body and jamah? who are the last khalifa? what is their school? are they salafi or hanafi-sufi?

 the salafis and so called “Mulim only” imams cannot easily escape from this three questions!

[17:48, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Abdul Majid forgotten what is the meaning of the hadith in abu dawood, to hold fast with your molar teeth. the sunnah of sahaba and rightly guided successors
So abdul Majid salafi creed will not be holding fast the advise of the Prophet peace and blessings of Allah to Hudaifa r.a?*
[17:50, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Will it be the sunnah of Hudaifa bin Al Yaman R.A to hold fast to the advise of Nabi a.s quoted before? which is to stick to the main body and leader! this is why i asked salafi, who were the last leaders of the main body? Will they say Osmaniya?
Wiil they see Osmaniya as the last khilafa? Even many other salafis try to prove that Wahabi did not oppose osmaniya khilafa! So why this tom and harry/jerry drama here? Do you want me to share those salafi videos ?
are you saying thata Hudaifa R.A was not rightly guided? if not then still he is sahabi, salaf, you claim you follow salaf and their understanding!
 secondly how can hudaifa r.a be not guided? when the rightly guided caliph like umar al farooq r.a goes to him and beg him saying: ” Am I in thee list of hypocrites! Hudaifa R.A says, no!

so please stop school boy arguments, and answer please, you came up with 11 -12 points with no contents in it with references to supporting hadith!
 you need to have resources from the quran , hadith nd if you have literature of a’aimma to prove your claim . supporting statements, is that the only ahadith you got to explain it by yourself, Dr AbduL Majid, i would like to phone Islam channel one day, insha Allah : EXPECT MY CALL ON ISLAM CHANNEL ONE DAY. THE THING IS I DON’T WATCH JUNK CHANNELS WHO PUT SALAFI SCHOLARS TO SPEAK, THAT FOOL THIS UMMAH!

[18:33, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Abdul Majid  says: My question is that I am following the last part of the hadith where our beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. IF IT IS NOT ITS PURITY THEN ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM.

Now we are here in an experiment!

With same logic and point of abdul Majid, we put his view and his creed in the time of Sayyidina Ali ibn abi Talib R.A Khilafa time!

Abdul Majid creed says: “We cannot follow your khilafa, because there were issues in your Jamah with sahaba and even fighting in siffin” So we only follow Quran and hadith, not you

How will be this creed called in that period?

Khawarij !

or else bring your idea , how would you see yourself in the time of the khilafa of Imam Ali?

[18:35, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: why did the prophet peace be upon him, says “whoever become separate from the jamah even for a span of time dies the death of jahiliya? Isn’t that hadith applicable for salafi?

[18:36, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: possible salafi argument: Imam Hussein fought against yazid, when yazid was khalif, who is right?

do i have to tell you the answer for this type of salafi square head thoughts? haha same as their saying, ottoman sultans did not do hajj, they cannot be correct! my heart speaks and then i speak, thts how i am
 i will continue to write as long as Allah Wills and inspire my heart!
because this conversation is to be gone as a book, it will be edited for grammatical errors and to avoid repetition and foolish talksso the Ottoman Khilafa, many of them did not go for Hajj!, what did the PROPHET ADVISE the Ummah to do in the time of afflictions? those who follow salaf,where is your answers? in the time of fitnah what should a believer do, according to his duty, his role, his status, his position? the Muslims are given concession in prayer during travel and during  fear! the salafi sayaing that there is no concession for leaders during fitnah!
 the ottoman sultans remaining in his office in Istanbul defending the ummah and holding to the advise of imams and shaykhs al islaam!

Because the Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam says that “Deen (Religion is Naseeha” (sahih Muslim)  and taking advise from the contemporary a’immah is part of that advise of the Prophet alaihiwalathu wa salam! The Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam also says that during fitnah (confusions) a sitting person is better than a standing person, a standing person is better than a  walking person (Sahih Bukhari)

so the Sultans obviously have followed the a’immah of his time and taken advise not to travel out side of the centre of khilafa! Those who are accustomed with materialistic Hajj today, does not understand the spiritual Hajj! Will Hajj be accepted if a person goes for Hajj disobeying a’immah and ulool amri? Without adab and akhlaaq (Islamic morals and manners)? That type of Hajj all sects do everywhere! its snot like you are going for five star hajj today! , because you are judging with your 21st century  sick mind!. Understand how strategic was the position of Istanbul and how  serious war threats against khilafa from shia and Romans!

Could someone else do Hajj on behalf of a person according to Fiqh? The Khilafa felicitated the way for Hajj for many!. Even a marriage ceremony can be conducted by a representative of the groom!But the square head salafis not understanding fiqh!, they go back to Fiqh matters when talking about Aqeedha (belief)!

Just as some missionaries when talking about Biblical theology and tawhid, when they get frustrated they go to Taliban and Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia to divert from the topic and to avoid answering the questions and topic in focus!

[18:43, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: its not like Abdul Majid or Soban or ali going for hajj in a nice car and flight, the salafi attacking osmaniya khalifas , so answering them. first be brave to accept the truth and study from the right people
so the osmaniya khalifas, they were remaining in their office in the city surrounded by waters, fitnah from Romans , Shias and others like kharij and their modern version called wahabis in its last part

 they were guided by high eminent scholars of their time, those who have studied 100s of thousands of ahadith and are expert in four madhabs, you come here with couple of quran and hadith verses and some diploma from unbelievers and judging khilafa, who is giving you that licence?

so the Prophet alaihswalathu wa salam says, the best of you are with best of manners (adab), and they can only be the authentic teachers of the quran

so are we judging ourselves? are we checking upon our own spiritual state?

 

[18:49, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: THE ONE QUESTION WE FORGET TO ASK : General posts
Bismilllahi Rahmani Raheem
Allahumma swalli alaa Sayyidina Muhammadin wa ala aali Sayyidina Muhammadin wa sallim

We are forgetting a very important question to ask to ourselves and to the pious scholars!

Hz Omar Al Farooq (Alaihissalam min Rabbi Raheem) used to ask the pious Sahabi pious scholar from among Sahaba Hz Hudaifa R.A this question, ‘am I in the list of hypocrites?!”

So it is a sunnah of the rightly guided successor that we must apply to our life! We must ask ourselves, Am I a hypocrite??
We must ask our pious shaykhs, am I standing among hypocrites now? ‘
If so, how can I get out from this disgraced station!?

So only a believer will ask this question to himself and to the pious ones in his time!
Because a hypocrite is arrogant and headless. because he think he is pious and following the pious or salaf or awliya, so he think he don’t need to ask this question to himself or to the pious! So he won’t fear or feel the pain of thoughts about his hypocrisy!

So what is hypocrisy,? I am asking salafi ulema!
Explain what is hypocrisy!?

In the matters of fiqh if we fail, then there are measures to atone for our failure and a believer follow those measures to make up his shortcomings in the matters of religion (jurisprudence)! So if someone is not a hypocrite, then we will work out under the guidance of a scholar to rectify the deficiency in his outward actions!

So in the matters of ihsan, matters of excellence of deen (religion) that is to worship Allah in the same state of spirituality as you see Him,. If you are not worshipping Allah as you see Him then there is a deficiency in the heart and mind. So a Muslim if he is not hypocrite, he will run to shaykh of tazkiya (spiritual purification and zuhd) and will work according to the shaykh’s instructions to rectify the deficiency in ihsan.

So now we have come to the most superior matter, that is imaan, which is faith. When we know that our faith is not in accordance with the faith of the creed, Al Jamah and we are not On the way of Al Jamah, in the path of those whom Allah has bestowed His Favour (Quran 1::7) then we run to fix our faith, If we are not hypocrite!

Since imaan is the middle core essence of the manifest (Islam) and ihsan (spiritual state) , if we not fixing that then we are doomed. Our worship and spirituality are in vain too!

Because true worship and true spirituality comes with true faith.

So our prophet Alaihiswalathu wa Salam says to Hudaifa ibn Al Yaman (R.A) to stick to the main body and it’s leader.

And he replies, what if there is no maim body and leader.

The prophet Alaihiswalathu wa Salam says, isolate yourself from all this sects and factions until you die in a state of eating roots and plant and meeting your LORD in that state!

So now the back to the question. Are the Muslim, salafis, tabligh, Jamath Islamic, wahabi etc, in the world today sticking to the ways of the last of the main body and it’s leaders and isolating from this new sects and factions?!

If not, then what have you learned from the Hadiths?!

Are you rejecting the Hadiths of The holy Prophet and attacking ottomans and it’s creed and coming to me with proofs from the unbelieving world against ottomans!?

Your are bringing proof against the words of Allah’s Messenger (Alaihiswalathu wa Salam) from unbelievers and following it!?

So who is the believer and who is the unbeliever!!?

So when you understand who is believer and who is unbeliever, you don’t follow the ways to the Hell.

Wa salamun alal mursaleen wal hamdu lillaahi Rabbil aalameen.

 i have posted this previously, i m reminding you now
 you are saying that you cannot accept osmaniya or sufi because the prophet did not mention them but only said al jamah! 

so Dr Abdul Majid and Soban Anwar, of Research institute of Abrahamic faith!
let me ask you, why do you follow the Book of Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Tirmidi, Imam nasai, Ibn Kathir , etc when the Prophet s.a did not mention their names? and they were followers of Shafi Madhab!, not pure Jamah of “Just Muslim” as you said earlier?!

is it hypocrisy and double standard, that you accept some and reject other (see Quran 2:85)?

 all the Imams followed the shaykhs in nashbandi silsila, they cannot see that
Hz Abu Bakar Siddiq, Hz Salman al Farisi, Hz Imam Jafar Sadiq, Hz Shayjh Yusuf alhamadani, read Shafi sunni scholar Ibn Hajar al Haythami book Fatwa al hadisiya

 

[18:56, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Imam Ibn Taymiyya mentions in the volume already cited, page 190: “A servant of Allah, Almighty and Exalted, cannot be considered a saint unless he is a true believer. Allah mentions in Qur’an, Surat Yunus, 62-63: “Now surely, on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve; those who believe and guard against evil.”

He then quotes the famous hadith from Bukhari: “My servant draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about [seizing] the soul of My faithful servant: he hates death and I hate hurting him.”

He explains the phrase, “Whoever comes against one of My saints is challenging Me to fight” thus: “It means that Allah is expressing: ‘I will seek revenge against anyone who comes against My saints like an aggressive lion.’” (p. 314)

Imam Ibn Taymiyya About Miracles of Saints
“It is said that after the Seal of Prophets (s), revelation does not descend upon anyone else. Why not? In fact it does, but then it is not called ‘revelation.’ It is what the Prophet (s) referred to when he said, ‘The believer sees with the Light of God.’ When the believer looks with God’s Light, he sees all things: the first and the last, the present and the absent. For how can anything be hidden from God’s Light? And if something is hidden, then that is not the Light of God. Therefore the meaning of revelation exists, even if it is not called revelation.”

From Rama’s Fihi ma fihi.

Ibn Taymiyya continues in the same book, Majmu’a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya: “What is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear or see something that others do not see, not while asleep, but in a wakened state of vision. He can know things that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration.”

In another book, Mukhtasar al-Fatawa al-Masriyya, published by al-Madani Publishing House, 1980, page 603, he writes: “The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, and acknowledged by all Muslim scholars. The Qur’an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) have mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are innovators or following innovators.”

He continues quoting the Prophet’s saying about the saints: “You are the witnesses of Allah on earth.”

Imam Ibn Taymiyya About the Unveiling of Appearances
He said (volume 11, page 313): “Allah Almighty will unveil to his saints states that have never been unveiled before and He will give them support without measure. If that saint begins to speak from the things of the unseen, past or present or future, it is considered from the viewpoint of Bab al-cilm al-khariq, miraculous knowledge. Anything that a saint does which is from the unseen, for people or for listeners, of healing or teaching knowledge, it is accepted and we must thank Allah for it.”

Imam Ibn Taymiyya Mentions some Great Shaikhs of Sufism
In the volume entitled cIlm as-Suluk, (“The Science of Travelling the Way to God”), which consists of the entire 775 pages of volume 10 of Majmaca al-Fatawa, he says (p. 516): “The great Sufi shaikhs are well known and accepted, such as: Bayazid al-Bistami, Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, Junaid ibn Muhammad, Hasan al-Basri, al Fudayl ibn al-Ayyad, Ibrahim bin al-Adham, Abi Sulayman ad-Daarani, Ma’ruf al-Karkhi, Siri as-Saqati, Shaikh Hammad, Shaikh Abul Bayan.

“Those great Sufis were the leaders of humanity, and they were calling to what is right and forbidding what is wrong.”

Ibn Taymiyya’s Qadiri Lineage as a Sufi Shaikh
At present we are in a position to go much further than saying that Ibn Taymiyya simply praised Sufism. We can say with definitiveness that he was an aspirant in the Sufi Way who belonged to more than one tariqat, primarily to the Qadiri Tariqat, of Shaikh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani.

In a unique manuscript of the H anbali Yusuf ibn cAbd al-Hadi (d. 909 H./1503 CE), entitled Bad’ al-culqa bi labs al-khirqa, uncovered in the Princeton University Library, Ibn Taymiyya is listed in a Sufi spiritual genealogy with other well-known Hanbali scholars. The links in this genealogy are, in descending order from cAbdul Qadir Jilani:

Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (d. 561 H./1165 CE)

Abu cUmar b. Qudama (d. 607 H./1210 CE)

Muwaffaq ad-Din b. Qudama (d. 620 H./1223 CE)

Ibn Ali b. Qudama (d. 682 H./1283 CE)

Ibn Taymiyya (d. 728 H./1328 CE)

Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya (d. 751 H./1350 CE)

Ibn Rajab (d. 795 H./1393 CE)

Furthermore, there is another unique manuscript, also found in the Princeton Library, of the work of Ibn Taymiyya himself, in a book named, Targhib al-Mutahabbin fi labs Khirqat al-Mutammayyazan by Jamal ad-Dan al-Talyani. Here are Ibn Taymiyya’s own words, as quoted from a work of his, al-Mas’ala at-Tabraziyya: ”I wore the blessed Sufi cloak of Shaikh cAbdul Qadir Jilani, there being between him and me two Sufi shaikhs.”

In another manuscript he said, “I have worn the Sufi cloak of a number of Sufi shaikhs, belonging to various tariqats, among them Abdul Qadir al-Jilani, whose tariqat is the greatest of the well-known ones, may Allah have mercy on him.”

After him, the lineage continues on to his student, Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, and his student Ibn Rajab.

The references for what we have mentioned are: “al-Hadi” manuscript in Princeton Library, Yahuda Collection, fol. 154a, 169b, 171b-172a; “at-Talyani,” manuscript, Chester Beatty, 3296 (8) in Dublin, fol. 67a.
[19:03, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Allah’s war on those who oppose HIS Friends

Khwajah Shaykh Yusuf Al Hamadani Q.S the 9th grand shaykh in the Naqshbandi silsila!:

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami records in his book Al-Fatawa al-Hadithiyya, “Abu Sa`id Abdullah ibn Abi `Asran, the Imam of the School of Shafi’i, said, ‘When I began a search for religious knowledge I accompanied my friend, Ibn as-Saqa, who was a student in the Nizamiya School, and it was our custom to visit the pious. We heard that there was in Baghdad a man named Yusuf al-Hamadani who was known as al-Ghawth, and that he was able to appear whenever he liked and was able to disappear whenever he liked. So I decided to visit him along with Ibn as-Saqa and Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani, who was a young man at that time. Ibn as-Saqa said, ‘When we visit Shaykh Yusuf al-Hamadani I am going to ask him a question the answer to which he will not know.’ I said, ‘I am also going to ask him a question and I want to see what he is going to say.’ Shaykh ‘Abdul Qadir al-Jilani said, ‘O Allah, protect me from asking a saint like Yusuf Hamadani a question, but I will go into his presence asking for his baraka blessings and Divine Knowledge.’

‘We entered his association. He veiled himself from us and we didn’t see him until after one hour had passed. He looked at Ibn as-Saqa angrily and said, without having been informed of his name, ‘O Ibn as-Saqa, how dare you ask me a question when your intention is to confound me?’ Your question is this and your answer is this!’ Then he said to Ibn Saqa, ‘I am seeing the fire of kufr (unbelief) burning in your heart.’ He looked at me and said, ‘O `Abdallah, are you asking me a question and awaiting my answer? Your question is this and your answer is this. Let the people be sad for you because they are losing as a result of your disrespect for me.’ Then he looked at Shaykh ‘Abdul Qadir al-Jilani and said to him, ‘Approach, my son. I am going to bless you. O `Abdul Qadir, you have satisfied Allah and His Prophet with your proper respect for me. I see you in the future sitting on the highest place in Baghdad and speaking and guiding people and saying to them that your feet are on the neck of every wali (saint). And I am seeing every wali of your time bowing to you because of your great station and honor.’”

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami continues, “`Abdul Qadir has been lifted up and all that shaykh al-Hamadani said about him came to pass. There came a time when he did say, ‘My feet are on the necks of all the awliya (saints),’ and he was a reference and a beacon guiding all people in his time to their destinations.”

“The fate of Ibn as-Saqa was something else. He was brilliant in his knowledge of the Law of Islam. He preceded all the scholars in his time. He used to debate with the scholars of his time and overcome them, until the khalif called him to be a member of his court. One day the khalif sent him as a messenger to the King of Byzantium, who in his turn called all the priests and scholars of Christianity to debate him. Ibn as-Saqa was able to defeat all of them in debate. They were helpless to give answers in his presence. He gave them answers that made them look like mere students in his presence.

“His brilliance fascinated the King of Byzantium so that he invited him to his private family gathering. There Ibn as-Saqa’s eyes fell on the daughter of the King. He immediately fell in love with her, and asked her father, the King, for her hand in marriage. She refused except on condition that he accept her religion. He did, leaving Islam and accepting the Christian religion of the princess. After his marriage he became seriously ill. They threw him out of the palace. He became a town beggar, asking everyone for food, yet no one would provide for him. Darkness had come over his face.

“One day he saw someone that had known him before. That person relates: ‘I asked him, ‘What happened to you?’ He replied, ‘There was a temptation that I fell into.’ The man asked him, ‘Do you remember anything from the Holy Qur’an?’ He replied, ‘I only remember rubbama yawaddu-l-ladheena kafaru law kanu muslimeen (‘Again and again will those who disbelieve wish that they were Muslims’ [15:2]).

“‘He was trembling as if he was giving up his last breath. I turned him towards the Ka’aba (the West), but he kept turning towards the East. Then I turned him back towards Ka’aba, but he turned himself to the East. I turned him a third time, but he turned himself to the East. Then as his soul was passing from him, he said, ‘O Allah that is the result of my disrespect to Your Arch-intercessor Yusuf al-Hamadani.’”

Imam Haythami continues: “Ibn `Asran said, ‘I went to Damascus and the king there, Nuridin ash-Shaheed, put me in charge of the department of religious affairs, and I accepted. As a result, the worldly life came at me from every side: provision, sustenance, fame, money, position for the rest of my life. That is what the Arch-intercessor Yusuf al-Hamadani had predicted for me.’”

So who are saved sect and who are misguided sects? salafis tell us?

Ibn Hajar Al haythami is well known shafi scholar!

is he not acceptable to you as well?

Only people who are acceptable to you are the books of unbelievers which you quoted to attack khilafa and words form missionaries?

I will hold you accountable for this misbehaviour, have no doubt about that , i complain you to Allah and His Prophet against your behaviour today!

When a case come to our attention, it is legitimate in the divine presence, because we have an address and certain rights according to the Quran and sunnah! It’s not like an address and rights you acquired from the institutions of unbelievers!

Dr Abdul Majid and Soban Anwar, I think you must isolate from the Jamah of Ibn Taymiya as well, as Ibn taymiya propagated Sufism and cannot be true Jamah according to your fake criteria!

[19:07, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: salafis you are on the way of ibn saqqa, you re debating Christians while turning against al jamah, khilafa and awliya allah!
you will find yourself with Ibn Saqqa if you dont repent and renew your shahada with in the Osmaniya creed !

This is my verdict for you…. have a thought and decide where you want to be today!

The case is closed now!
 The above article explains from fatwa al hadisya about ibn saqqa and his works (debating Christians and jews) and how he ended up his journey! so think tonight, what have you earned today with the knowledge and position you hold in the religion!

WHY SUFIS REVERE PIOUS MUSLIMS BELONGINGS (HAIR, BEARD, SHAWLS, SANDALS ETC) WITH HIGH RESPECT? :
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
The Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings of Allah Be upon him) said: “……The scarf on her (the woman of paradise) head is better than the world and what is in it” (Sahih)
Jami At-Tirmidhi 1651, Darussalam Publishers.

Comments: This Hadith explains the virtues of those who died in the cause of Allah. If the scarf of a woman of paradise is better than everything in this world, then how much greater would be the value of the belongings of the pious servants of Allah in the sight of Allah and His Messenger alaihiswalathu wa Salam!?

Salafis consider this acts as Shirk and Bidha!, therefore salafis cannot be al jamah and saved sect as the hadith proves so!

So be intelligent, nobody Worshiping graves or hair or sandals, but giving high honor and respect for this things which belongs to a beloved of Allah.

Belief of Some misguided sects in Islam: Taking blessings from holy relics is shirk (polytheism) and bidha (innovation) !

So it is now the time for those who are fooled by misguided sects, to renew their Shahada (testimony of faith) and come back to the correct Islam (the Main body, the way of the Ottoman creed)

To follow the truthful way and to disassociate from liars and false preachers is obligatory on every Muslim!

MORE SCHOOL BOY ARGUMENTS LIKE QUESTIONS FROM THOSE WHO ARE CONFUSED BY THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF SALAFIS:

[19:14, 12/2/2018] Asif: Why FOLLOW usmani creed did sahba follow it?
[19:14, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: now so many people’s attitude is exposed and attitude too,did prophet Musa a.s followed sahab/salaf creed? is he not main body? wake up man! “Ulool amri minkun” those in authority among you! 4:59. please don’t dishonour yourself with this types of questions!, i am not very pleased today with many so called preachers , so i am quite serious today!  let me clarify you from my kindness! Should I follow mahdi and jesus when he returns? because sahaba did not follow them!  ? Please respect yourself! If you want to ask questions personally, then message me privately. When you join for public discussion then you are exposed!

[19:22, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: IMAM MAHDI AND FOLLOWERS (JAMAH AND LEADER) WILL CALL UPON JESUS FOR HELP!
WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THAT, SALAFIS?
Are you saying it is shirk and mahdi and followers (Al Jamah) committing shirk like us Osmaniya khilafa adhering sunni Sufi Muslims? they will seek help from Isa A.S who is in heaven
isn’t it shirk? Will your scholars go and give lectures to Imam Mahdi (leader) and Al Jamah (his followers)?
Answer me salafis! I think we will send Dr Abdul Majid and Soban to Mahdi and his followers to advise him and his followers it is shirk to call upon anyone other than Allah!

 

THE RIGHTEOUS JAMA’ATH (JAMATH OF IMAM MAHDI ALAIHISSALAM) MAKING TAWASSUL (PLEA, NOT DUA) TO ESA (JESUS)ALAIHISSALAM TO COME TO SAVE THEM FROM THE FITNAH OF DAJJAL.
From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that “one who listens to your pleas has come”
So “the one who listen to your Pleas Has come” does not mean that the Muslim Jama who are righteous in the end of the times praying to Jesus.
It does not mean that they making Dua to Jesus.
It does not mean that Jesus is God.
But it means that they making Tawassul directly to Jesus alaihissalam
It means that TAWASSSUL IS obligatory on Muslims during the time of difficulties and calamities.
It is also mean that tawassul is permissable in Islam.
It also mean that righteous people make tawasssul.
 
THE PROOF:
His Descension
He will descend on a Jamaat (group) that will be righteous at the time and comprising of 800 men and 400 women. The people will be preparing for war at the time against Dajjal (the anti-Christ). It will be time for Fajr prayers, and Imam Mahdi will be the Amir (leader). From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that “one who listens to your pleas has come” — the righteous people will look everywhere and their eyes will fall on Isa (A.S.).
by  MUFTI AFZAL HUSSIEN ELIAS OF ZAMBIA.
 
NOTE: SO ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE POST, IT IS ENOUGH PROOF FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOOLS TO UNDERSTAND THAT TAWASSUL IS PART OF DEEN.
IT IS A PROOF THAT RIGHTEOUS MUSLIMS MAKE TAWASSUL TO HOLY PROPHETS OF ALLAH AND GREAT SAINTS.
IT IS PROOF THAT THOSE WHO SAY TAWASSUL IS SHIRK AND BID’AH ARE LIARS.
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM THE HADITH ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF ONE OF THE CHARECTER OF HYPOCRITE (MUNAFIQ) IS WHEN HE SPEAK HE LIE.
SO IT IS A PROOF THAT WAHHABIS ARE LIARS.
SO IT IS A PROOF THAT WAHHABIS HAVE THE ATTRIBUTES OF MUNAFIQ.
SO IT IS A PROOF FOR MUSLIMS THAT WAHHABIS ARE FOLLOWERS OF SATANS (LIARS)
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT THOSE WHO MAKE UNLAWFUL WHAT ALLAH HAS MADE LAWFUL, THEY ARE THE LOST PEOPLE.
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT, THOSE WHO LIE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,PROPHET AND QURAN, SUCH PEOPLE ARE LOSERS IN THIS WORLD AND HEREAFTER.

 

[19:29, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: so abdul majid and his type muslims and salafis will not join Mahdi for sure because Mahdi and followers make plea to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) and according to the salafi clowns it is shirk to call upon anyone other than ALLAH!

[19:29, 12/2/2018] +44 Soban Anwar: i question your genuineness

[19:30, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: your answer is given above, scroll back and read  or wait for the pdf to be published in the coming week

[19:56, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: mysterious clouds appeared and swallowed Yorkshire regiment and vanished non one found them, even the unbelievers saw it and afraid! but those who follow djjal today coming against osmaniya. i am not going to hug them nor going to be easy on them!. they will be refuted and exposed and Allaah will disgrace them just as HE disgraced enemies of Osmaniya in Gallipoli battle.i dont care even if such people are my family or relatives. our alliance is with haqq and never going to be with falsehood!

GALLIPOLI CAMPAIGN:SUFI SAINTS IN THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR
THE MIGHTY POWER OF ISLAM (SUBMISSION TO GOD IN THE WAY OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD, UPON HIM BE PEACE AND BLESSINGS:
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem

Allahumma Swalli Ala Sayyidina Muhammadin wa ala aali sayyidina Muhammadin wa sallim

Quran 9:33 It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

During the first world war whole world gathered against the Ottoman Khilafat , in the western sea side of Turkey near Gallipoli, but Allah Subhana wa Ta’ala sending heavenly armies to Support the legitimate Khalifa of the Messenger of Allah Nabi Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa salam. The Ottoman Empire Won the Battle , and in the same battle, mysterious clouds descended from sky and swept the soldiers away and no one has ever seen them since then!.
Such miraculous powers going to enter into this world during the Armageddon (World War III) when Imam Mahdi (alaihissalam) and his heavenly regiments descend to bring peace in this world and to prepare the world for the arrival of Christ (Peace be upon him), and so many groups that coming against Islam and truth will vanish in the sea and in the land, as it happened in the last political battle of Islam, the Gallipoli battle!

In the year 2014 a film was made in the Hollywood to remember this battle named: “The Water Diviner”

The first world war and vanishing of British troops
read at http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/03/the-mysterious-vanishing-battalion-of-wwi/

https://marilynkaydennis.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/a-regiment-disappears-inside-a-cloud/

NEW ZEALAND NAVY OFFICER’S WITNESS STATEMENT:

The case of the Vanishing Battalion remained pretty much closed until the 50thanniversary of the Gallipoli landings in April 1965, when a New Zealand WWI veteran by the name of Frederick Reichardt, along with two of his compatriots, came forward with their own alleged first-hand account of what he saw on that fateful day. The story was recounted by Reichardt during a reunion of veterans and offered a bizarre, if controversial, twist on the tale of the missing battalion.
Reichardt went on record saying that they had been sappers with the New Zealand Expeditionary Force and that they had been operating in an area near a Turkish position known as Hill 60, which was not far from where the lost Norfolk Regiment had been waging war. The sapper claimed they noticed between 6 and 8 odd, grayish brown, “loaf shaped” clouds hovering over the battlefield. The weird clouds were described as being completely still even in the face of high winds at the time. Beneath these clouds was reportedly another, even larger and denser looking cloud that was estimated as being around 800 feet in length and around 200 feet high. This massive cloud was allegedly hugging the ground over a dry creek bed when the Norfolk Regiment approached, and without hesitation they proceeded to march directly into it. When the regiment had disappeared into the cloud, Reichardt claimed that it had then slowly risen upwards to join the other strange clouds, apparently taking the soldiers with it, after which they all moved off to the north in unison before disappearing from view. The story was first published in the September/October edition of the New Zealand UFO magazine Spaceview in 1965. The story would be somewhat corroborated when in 1966, another New Zealand veteran of the campaign, Gerald Wilde, toldSpaceview magazine that although he had not seen the disappearance directly, he had heard many rumors among soldiers that the entire Norfolk Regiment had disappeared into a cloud that had been straddling the ground.

SAINT OF ALLAH SHAYKH ABDUL KERIM AL KIBRISI (Q.S) SPEAKING ABOUT IT:
THE MIRACULOUS CLOUDS OF CANAKKALE (GALLIPOLI)

https://sahibulsaif.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/the-clouds-of-canakkale-2/

After the Juma prayer someone asked Sheykh Abbdul Kerim Efendi about the Canakkale War of 1915 saying, “Many are now saying that the clouds that appeared in Canakkale taking in British soldiers and disappearing, it’s just a story. Is it true?”

SUFIS IN THE WORLD WAR I
A discourse of Sufi Saint Sahibul Saif Shaikh Abdul Kerim Efendi (Q.S)*

Auzu billahi min ash-sheytanir rajim. BismillahirRahmanirRahim. Medet Ya Seyyidi Sultanul Awliya, Medet.

Millions today are making jokes about how the cloud appeared in Canakkale (Gallipoli) and took one group of British and just disappeared and still their bodies are not known anywhere. Now they are making stories. But people from that time believed because they saw and they witnessed. After them their children, they are also not believing because it’s something extraordinary. It’s showing (to the non-Muslim forces that came against the Ottoman Empire) that the God that you are worshipping is helping these people and it’s not helping you. So it’s not such a good position that you want to be in, right?

How are you going to say, “The side that we were fighting against, they were right and the Lord helped them by sending clouds and everyone disappeared in it.” It wasn’t just ten people in it. Not only that but so many other unusual things happened there. Who was in Canakkale? Our Grandsheykh (Abdullah Daghestani QS). So is it so hard for us to understand who is making all these things?

Heh, there was a General who didn’t like the Grandsheykh. And a bomb flew and fell into the area where the Grandsheykh and everyone were in. Almost everybody died or became wounded. Where Gransheykh was, where it fell, it just became a big hole and Grandsheykh was sitting and praying there. The General was shocked and he came down to the Grandsheykh. He kissed his hand and said, “I didn’t believe in God. I didn’t believe in anything but I believe you from now on because I have seen with my eyes what had happened.” He said, “You are a different individual from everything else.” And that General started following the Grandsheykh.

Not only Grandsheykh but so many other Sheykhs and Saints entered into that war. 250,000 people died. It’s not 250. Two hundred and fifty thousand people died there in that short time. Only from the Turks. Almost 300,000 died from the other side. Over 300,000 people. You are talking about more than half a million people dying in those waters and in those lands there. Everywhere you are stepping on there are bodies underneath it. I spent three nights there and early in the morning when I was calling the Azan, I was calling the Azan very strongly early in the morning, (there was one tomb, that of Suleyman Pasha, he did great things there too) near his tomb and I was going there for prayer and you can see in far distance the lights of the Greek islands there, right on the border. People came from the other side. In the morning when I was calling the Azan right before dawn, things were setting down and I was seeing all these beautiful rains of light coming down. Like rain drops light was coming down and with that different smells were coming. And there was a voice speaking to me saying that all those drops are representing all those soldiers, and everyone has a different smell.

So everywhere I was walking I was seeing different lights. I was walking, passing through their tomb sites and you would think that there are so many tombs there but it’s not. In the mountains and everywhere you see that light connection coming from the Paradise to there, from their tombs going up. That’s why people who don’t have strong spirituality cannot live around there. It’s pretty heavy for them. People who have high spirituality want to live there all the time but they don’t leave them too because you discover so many secrets there. It opens up. Unless you are keeping the secrets, then they keep you there for some time. Otherwise (they don’t).

You can see that all those areas are not packed up with things. Everywhere is almost empty. In the villages, you see the people, you look at their faces, no arguments, just peace coming from their faces and they are always walking, going back and forth but no talking. No sound. It’s like a dead valley. No sound. It’s like a different world that you are living in. Even just an ordinary person can feel that right away and understands that it’s completely different here now. Huh, all those soldiers, British, ANZAC, all those are very happy to be buried there. They are saying, “Mistakenly we have fallen into Paradise.” (Sheykh Efendi smiles). Everything smells different. The flowers smell different there, the mountain flowers, they all have different smells and different colors. You can see that heavenly look on everything there. All the stones they put there are symbolic. They are not underneath there. They just carried so many of them and they buried them in mass graves and they put those stones there.

But there are special places where special incidents happened. Those areas are completely different. You see how it is there. But you can see it on the stones. Every stone that you pass, the age that all died were 19, 20, 21. Did you see the trench? The war trench behind which they were hiding? You didn’t go there? (Sheykh Effendi asked a murid). ‘X’ replied, ‘No, I didn’t. Then you didn’t see anything what the soldiers they built. Do you know how close they came to each other? From here to there where `Y’ is sitting (approx. 10 meters).

The world has never seen a war like that before. Never. No way that it can get that close. You have trenches here and you have trenches there (Sheykh Efendi pointing to the two opposite walls of the dergah and the distance between them is about 30 ft.). That’s how close they got. Everything was so close there. The fear and the smell of death and the smell of the love of Paradise that kept those people keep on coming and going. People without faith cannot stand there. The other ones had no choice because they were dumped there with ships. So they had no place to go now. So many were brought from the Subcontinent countries. They were Muslims. Afghanis and (today’s) Pakistanis. So many were put in ships and brought there (by the British) to fight the Khalifah’s soldiers. Khalifah’s soldiers! They didn’t know. They tried to give up but they (the British) said, “You cannot go anywhere. We will shoot you down into the water.” So they were fighting.

People are having everything easy now, everybody speaks on everything and Islam became a game to everybody. A game. Nothing but a game. Not accepting anything. People gave lives! Not life. Lives! One house giving three, four sons to die in that war. Can you imagine? Four sons, five sons died in that war. Three sons died and the husband died. I met a lady. Looking at her face is like looking at a heavenly person, as if heaven appeared through her face. It is not sad and it is not khek khek khek. It is a beauty that is appearing. So beautiful and calm. She was talking, she was praying and she was saying to me what happened. The husband died and three sons died. And she was saying, “Alhamdulillah. I hope I didn’t make a mistake. But I have no regret. If I had ten sons then I will give again. But I am looking at the situation of this country now and I am very sad. I think those ones will be sad too.” Looking at her face, (I saw) Paradise coming out from her face. And she said that she didn’t cry. She cried from the pain but she didn’t cry for anything and she was very happy with what Allah did. Then she was living all these years after that by herself. She had another daughter and she died too after some time. And she is still living.

Allahu Akbar! People going through all that pain, do you think it’s easy? Think on it. Just to think on it. So many people I say these to, they say `Eh.’ I say, “Compare, just compare with yourself and look what happens.” No comparison. Impossible to compare. They were believing. That’s all. They were believing in what they were doing. They were sincere with what they were doing. I met another lady. She fixed the whole village with her father’s death money that was coming. The government was not taking care of the tombs of the people, okay? And he was one of the persons who died in Canakkale and it’s near the village there. So they brought him to the village and they put him there and at that time the government put money out saying they have to take care of those areas. They did it. Then (later) everything was falling down. So she was showing me the tomb site that she fixed and she was saying to me, “He fixed it himself.”

I said, “How it happened?”

She goes, “Everything was falling down and the little money that they were giving me from the government for my father’s death, I saved little for me for whatever was necessary for me to live on, and the rest to this village. He is in the grave and with his money we are still living. He is in the grave. With his money we are still living. The village is still living with the money that is coming because of him. And they are fixing his tomb with his money.”

Allah, Allah. Unusual things are happening around there. Astaghfirullah al-Azim wa atubu ilaih. El-Fatiha.

Wa salamun alal mursaleen

walhamdulillahi Rabbil aalameen

 

[20:01, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: study and follow islam of the jamah and leaders, dont waste time with this type of lay men who teach people deen in TV and events!
 we are kind with people, but this is a talk with people who dont show manners annd respect to khilafa and ahlul bayt. what you say abut hz Umar al farooq!/? do you know his way? his attitude with people who don’t have adab with prophets and sahaba? do you think hz abu bakar r.a after the prophet went to make unity and peace with those who disagreed with him? if not then, know that they were on prophetic way and i m no one compare to them
and i m trying to follow their way, too harsh with hypocrites. and we are kind to people, to guests, to people of the book to travellers etc, but no compromise on deen and truth
if you want to make peace then dont try to share our facebook pages or article and say to us Muslims attacking other Muslims.when they attack osmani khilafa!. what we call it hypocrisy and double standard!

 

[20:10, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Majjd,  73 Sects File close here! Because your arguments lack any points and explanation. You are bankrupt of explanations in this discussion!

 because they don’t know

1-the main body and jamah
2- they dont know mujaddid
3- they dont know the khalifa
4-they cannot follow mahdi, and his jamah because they make isthighas to isa a.s who is in heaven, that is shirk!
5- so they think Mahdi jamah is impure and he is an innovator!
6- this is enough for salafi to reflect upon and understand thaat they are not ahlu sunnah or al jamah

don’t limit this point to those who say we are salafi but even those who say they are “Only Muslim” and hold this same view of salafis!

 is seeking help from isa a.s who is in heaven shirk? ask salafis and the “Muslims” like abdul majid and  Soban!if they say it is shirk, as the wahabi say, then it is sure thaat they are not the jamah and people who follow mahdi!
Because Mahdi and his jamah make isthighasa to Nabi isa a.s who is in the heaven!

This is why i say salafi is evil sect! and those who follow their views are evil too, and the Prophet a.s gave a beautiful hadith, and i acted upon that hadith

On the authority of Abu Sa`eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:

I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]
عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ سَمِعْت رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه و سلم يَقُولُ: “مَنْ رَأَى مِنْكُمْ مُنْكَرًا فَلْيُغَيِّرْهُ بِيَدِهِ، فَإِنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ فَبِلِسَانِهِ، فَإِنْ لَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ فَبِقَلْبِهِ، وَذَلِكَ أَضْعَفُ الْإِيمَانِ” . 40 Hadith Nawawi 34

 we exposed the evil of salafism with our hands by writing it and with heart and with tongue where possible, rest of the questions, i am sending to the christians , they will ask this men, and have fun with them!

Quran said the chrsitans are kind to muslims, the prophet a.s showed kindness to christians but cursed those who oppose main body, their leaders, imams and ahlul bayt

 Quran 2:11-17 speaks on the cursed islahis

IS NAJD LOCATED IN SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAQ?:  (General Discussion)
A refutation of Salafi Talk Net :
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Allahumma swalli alaa Sayyidina Muhammadin wa alaa Aali Sayyidina Muhammadin wa sallim
Salafis twist the Hadith in Sahih Bukhari conceal the evil origin of their Wahabi movement.
The Hadith in Sahih Bukhari:
The Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Shaam. O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Yemen.” The people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, and our Najd.” I think the third time the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, said, “There (in Najd) will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations, and from their appears the Horn of Satan.”
Reported in al-Bukhaaree [Book of Trials, Chpt.?The afflictions will come from the East? 9/166 no. 214 Eng. Trans]
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/printthread.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=1518
The Salafi sects claim that this Najd is in Iraq!
But let’s us speak up with the truth.
In the time of Prophet alaihiswalathu wa Salam, which place is considered as the Location/Division/Province of Najd?!
The Hadiths clearly speaks about regions (Dominions) Sham, Yemen, Najd, those are distinctive provinces or regions.
But the liars continue to lie!
The Najd of the Hadith is in East of Saudi Arabia, not in Iraq. The capital is Riyadh.
Riyada (Summit) of evil according to the Messenger of Allah, Nabi Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa Salam.
Saudi government is based in Riyadh. Anyone who study eschatology can understand the formation of Saudi, Wahabi movement and it’s role in politics.
No fitnah emerged from Najd except the spread of radical political (fake) Islam, around the world which paved the way for global terrorism, firstly against Ottoman Caliphate , then against USSR and then against Traditional Islamic world.
So what is the proof for the bankrupt Salafi intellect to understand Najd is Saudi Arabia’s political summit?!
Well, It is simple. If you leave your square head for a while, keep your mind and tongue in silence and listen!
In Sunan Abu Dawood (Darussalam Publishers, Saudi Arabia) volume 2 page 339-340 it is recorded that the Miqat for the people of Najd for ihram is Qarn (Sahih, No: 1737) and Dhat Irq for the people of Iraq (Sahih, Hadith No:1739)
Which means Najd and Iraq are different places/regions/!
According to this Hadith, People from which region assumed their Ihram, when it comes to Iraq?
And who did assume Ihram from Qarn?. Wahabis,Now are you going to change Fiqh of Hajj to preach your perverted religion of lies (Wahhabism)
Go to Saudi Arabia during Hajj and ask the Hajis to come and show their passport who came to Make Hajj from Najd and assumed their Ihram from Qarn, lets see are they from iraq or they have a Saudi passport!
So there is no room for further arguments like school boys!
Wa salamun alal Mursaleen

 

[21:04, 12/2/2018] Discover Islam: Dr Abdul Majid , tell us who are this a’immathil muslimeen wa aammathihim!
The jamah and folk?
This is mystery too ?

On the authority of Tameem ibn Aus ad-Daree (ra):

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “The deen (religion) is naseehah (advice, sincerity).” We said, “To whom?” He (ﷺ) said, “To Allah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.” [Muslim]

عَنْ أَبِي رُقَيَّةَ تَمِيمِ بْنِ أَوْسٍ الدَّارِيِّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ: “الدِّينُ النَّصِيحَةُ.” قُلْنَا: لِمَنْ؟ قَالَ: “لِلَّهِ، وَلِكِتَابِهِ، وَلِرَسُولِهِ، وَلِأَئِمَّةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَعَامَّتِهِمْ.” 

[رَوَاهُ مُسْلِمٌ]

Ref40: Hadith Nawawi 7 

Are you sincere to them? The creed of a’imma? Are they all salafi or just called themselves as “only Muslim”?
Who are your version of A’immah in after salaf until this year in an unbroken chain of a’immah who followed the exact salafi creed?

 This scholar Dr Musa Al Sharif of Umm Al Qura University says they were all Sufi too So Sufi-salafi? .Or sunni-sufi  (Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamah) following madhab and tasawwuf shaykhs?

 Or are they all just Muslims like you? Not Hanafi shafi Maliki hanbali?☝🏼if so then quote us their names
 ‘how do you follow hadiths because the isnad chain of all hadiths have those who say they are Hanafi shafi Maliki hanbali and Sufi!z when you said you didn’t follow those who say they are Hanafi Sufi Sunni ETC!? Isn’t it double standard?
How come Hadiths acceptable to you but not Imams creed who narrated this Hadiths, jamah and leaders?
 If you are not answering then I ask the members to call Islam channel UK and ask this question s
 I will make new blog to help those who call Islam channel QA, IQRA TV, HUDA TV ETC TO ASK QUESTIONS! SO THE CALLERS CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE SHAYKHS IN THAT TV CHANNEL, A NEW STRATEGIC BLOG , LETS SEE HOW IT GO! Insha Allah

Did the prophet sahaba or salaf conduct qiraat/ Qur’an recitation competition s?

Is conducting Qirat competition (a) sunnah or ,(b) bidha ?

Answer the right answer, you will get a qiraat cd if the right answer is (a)sunnah

If it is (b) then bidha, the you will get the reward for answering and showing people the right way! 

[08:34, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: A ROLL BACK TO DR ABDUL MAJID’S ARGUMENTS:

[02/12 11:46] Dr Abdul Majid ISLAM’ Channel: Assalamualaykum,
MY dear please do not push me for something I do not believe.
If you want to discuss this subject then answer my questions first:
1. The QUR’AN you quoted where does it say the name of Jama’ah?
2. The hadith you quoted where is the name of Jama’ah in it?
3. The sahabah, imams, and scholars are ulool amri, what is the name of their Jama’ah from the Qur’an and hadith?
4. What was the name of the Jama’ah of our four khalifah?
5. What was the name of the Jama’ah of our four imams?

Did sahabah call themselves Sufies?
Did our four imams call themselves Sufies?
Who called himself as sufi amongst the sahabah, amongst the imams?

[02/12 11:53] Dr Abdul Majid: Answer my question. You started talking to me
about Jama’ah. You have not answered my question of Jama’ah. First let us agree with Jama’ah then I will discuss further. Any person who can read Arabic or English can see that none if your evidence mention the name of Jama’ah and certainly Sufism is not found in around first 300 years of Islam. YOUR Islam and your doctrine and your Sufism is an innovation. Give the name of the Jama’ah followed by sahabah, or imams. Do not talk this or that.

[02/12 13:58] Dr Abdul Majid : 8. Then another main question raised: What to be followed if there is NO PURE JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM? then the answer came from our beloved Prophet pbuh that DO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ANY OF THESE SO CALLED ARTIFICIAL JAMA’AH. ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM

[02/12 13:59] Dr Abdul Majid: 9. HE DID NOT SAY that stick to Sufies or osmanies, abbasies, ummayyids, etc

My question is that I am following the last part of the hadith where our beloved Prophet pbuh said: STICK TO JAMA’AH OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR IMAM. IF IT IS NOT ITS PURITY THEN ISSOLATE YOURSELF FROM THEM.

[02/12 21:04] Discover Islam: Dr Abdul Majid , who are this a’immathil muslimeen wa aammathihim!
The jamah and folk?
This is mystery too like trinity of missionaries? ??

On the authority of Tameem ibn Aus ad-Daree (ra):

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “The deen (religion) is naseehah (advice, sincerity).” We said, “To whom?” He (ﷺ) said, “To Allah, His Book, His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.” [Muslim]

عَنْ أَبِي رُقَيَّةَ تَمِيمِ بْنِ أَوْسٍ الدَّارِيِّ رَضِيَ اللهُ عَنْهُ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ: “الدِّينُ النَّصِيحَةُ.” قُلْنَا: لِمَنْ؟ قَالَ: “لِلَّهِ، وَلِكِتَابِهِ، وَلِرَسُولِهِ، وَلِأَئِمَّةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَعَامَّتِهِمْ.” 

[رَوَاهُ مُسْلِمٌ]

40: Hadith nawawi 7

A ROLL BACK QUESTION TO ABDUL MAJID:

Dr Abdul Majid and Hafiz Soban, the prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him says religion is nasihaa to Allah to His Book (4:59) to the Messenger to the leaders (a’immah, not amir/khilafa here) of the Muslims, sincerity to them!
What Nasihaa you have from the a’imma of the Muslims regarding Osmaniya khilafa?
Are you taking your own opinion against Ottomans and ignoring their contemporary a’immah!?
What about a’immah (the religious lesdrrs) and their best , mujaddid in the time of Osmaniya,700 years?!
Are you saying that you follow your own views about ottomans and the views of unbelievers you studied from their books?!

Is the type of Islam you want people to follow from you? Is this the kind of knowledge you have to offer to the world!?

O members are you looking for this type of Islam and knowledge? When you are looking for best job, best car, best professor, best house , best 4G network etc????

See I don’t honour junk Islam and stale knowledge and misguided sects!

If you don’t honour worldly unpleasant things, then isnt more duty to not to give any honour to such sects and groups?

So if we needed to take your views with credibility, then provide references from a’immah in the time of Osmaniya khilafa!
You have to respect the rights of a’immah over you!
Because Deen is sincerity to them!
There is no Deen without sincerity to a-immah

[09:00, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: It is part of the adab (Islamic manners) of any scholars,when they oppose something done by the khilafa or jamah of the Muslims of the past, they must refer to the a’immah of that period!
By not doing so, Dr Abdul Majid and Hafiz Soban , ignored or lacking Islamic methodology of interpretation of persons creed and history of the Muslim world

Islam give high importance to manners, the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said: I have been sent to perfect the manners!

Even the message of the Qur’an is in this methodology, explaining of the history of mankind and teach us through their history, truth righteousness and judgement!

[09:02, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: The salafi team left the scene, so it is clear that no only missionaries reject the truth , the:72 sects also doesn’t want to accept the truth!
They want to give Dawah to non muslim world, but here they are exposed now, their creed is exposed now! They are schooled here !

Allahu Akbar

[09:12, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: Conclusion

Qur’an 2:256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

The way of a’imma and their folk!

Quran 2:208 O you who have believed, enter into Islam completely [and perfectly] and do not follow the footsteps of Satan (see taguth 2:256). Indeed, he is to you a clear enemy.

Quran 1:7 The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray. See Qur’an 4:59-69

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “The Jews split into 71 groups; 1 group will enter Paradise and 70 will enter Hell. The Christians split into 72 groups; 1 group will enter Paradise and 71 will enter Hell. By Him in Whose Power is the life of Muhammad, without doubt, my Ummah will be divided into 73 groups. Only one will enter Paradise and 72 will enter Hell.
When asked about which group will be on the right path, the Beloved Messenger of Allah replied, “The main body (Jamaat) of the Muslims.” (who are Jamah? See Qur’an,4:69 the group of Prophets siddiqin,saliheen, that’s the a’immah you must be sincere to, see Hadith)

[Ibn Majah’s Kitab al-Fitan; Hafiz ibn Kathir’s Signs before Day of Judgment, page 14]

So where are your a’immah and their folk in every century? ,Dr Abdul Majid and soban? See Hadith in sunan Abu dawood about MUJADDID!

(Bold lettered reference from Discover Islam admin)

The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “There was disagreement amongst Jews and they split into 72 groups. In exactly the same way, there will be disagreement and divisions in my Ummah. It will split into 73 groups. Except for one of these groups, all the remaining will be thrown into Hell.”
When asked about which group will be on the right path, the Messenger of Allah replied, “The group on the right path, which will enter Paradise, will be the group which follows my Sunnah and this will be the largest group of Muslims.”
[Tirmidhi; Imam Ahmad; Abu Dawud; Mishkat]
The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “Without doubt, my Ummah will never be gathered in misguidance. Whenever you see disagreement, hold fast to the greater majority.”
[Ibn Majah]

The  Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said, “”Follow the way of the largest group of Muslims! For he who deviates from this group will be thrown into Hell!”
[Ibne Majah]
[09:13, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: Please avoid posting news article on Naik and other wahabis, Naik is a hypocrite, he quote crucifixion verse from the Bible to prove CHRISTIANS that God is One! Which means one has to believe that Jesus crucified to accept that a proof to say that Jesus worshipped one true God!
It is pathetic! 
[09:20, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: New strategy to expose Salafi:
[02/12 21:15] Discover Islam: ‘how do you follow hadiths because the isnad chain of all hadiths have those who say they are Hanafi shafi Maliki hanbali and Sufi!z when you said you didn’t follow those who say they are Hanafi Sufi Sunni ETC!? Isn’t it double standard?

How come Hadiths acceptable to you but not jamah and leaders? 
 you are not answering then I ask the members to call Islam channel UK and ask this question!

I will make new blog to help those who call Islam channel QA, IQRA TV, HUDA
TV ETC TO ASK QUESTIONS! SO THE CALLERS CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE SHAYKHS IN THAT TV CHANNEL, A NEW STRATEGIC BLOG , LETS SEE HOW IT GO
Insha Allah

Please forward.
[09:32, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: Abdul Majid says he isolate from the jamah, the prophet ,peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, did not say to isolate from jamah, but from this sects and groups other than the Al Jamah and leader and the a’immah that followed the khilafa. Though the leader (khilafa) is not there,the a’immah, that followed the khilafa are there today! Why don’t Salafi seek that creed of a’imma and following them?
The Qur’an further clarifies who are the Al Jamah we below!

Qur’an 4:69  وَمَن يُطِعِ اللَّـهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَالصِّدِّيقِينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَالصَّالِحِينَ ۚ وَحَسُنَ أُولَـٰئِكَ رَفِيقًا ﴿٦٩﴾

And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger – those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous. And excellent are those as companions. (69) 

So Dr Abdul Majid, who are the saliheen of 10th century to 18th century? Who are the mujaddid s from 10th century to 18th century, the khilafa period?

Are you following them or not following them? !

The Qur’an commands In 4:59-69 and 9:119!

[09:37, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: If they are not followers of Hanafi shafi Maliki hanbali and Sufi ways, but followers of your way , then where is your references from your version of mujaddid, siddiqin and saliheen of 10th century to 18th century who stood against Osmaniya khilafa, given fatwa against Hanafi shafi Maliki hanbali and Sufi ways such as Naqshbandi Qadri rifai Christi, sohrawardi etc?

Because all this tariqah sufis are there from 10th to 18th century CE

Copy [03/12 09:42] Asif: I told you your mannerisms is not good being hard is not right on others, you become like those salfi guys bro
[03/12 09:43] Discover Islam: An intense controversial topic will have things that everyone does not feel comfortable
 And it’s like discussing trinity and tawhid. The one who is on the wrong ideologies will certainly feel offended, Hurt, frustrated etc ☝🏼👍👳🏼‍♀
[09:52, 12/3/2018] Discover Islam: There is no hardness in my heart, but I cling to the points and Truth,which is taken from the Qur’an and Hadith,and if you find that verses and Hadith hard on you then Qur’an speaks about such one’s!

Qur’an says that, if a group felt hardness in the words of the Qur’an and sunnah. Then that group who felt harshness from the book of Allah and prophet, will be unbelievers! Also see Qur’an 2:11-17

Qur’an 48:29 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers – so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

Quran 2:8 And of the people are some who say, “We believe in Allah and the Last Day,” but they are not believers.

The Quran 2:9-18 says that those who call themselves as Islahis (reformers) are not reall Islahis!, But misguided youth, see ahadith about khawarji and their appearance in different names in different centuries!
A Wahabi magazin in Kerala South India itself as called “Al Shabab” this is the reality of Wahabism!
Quran and Hadith that warns about those wo corrupt religion and misguided , Allah caused to reflect their signs upon them by themselves! So they call Islahi, al shabab etc!

[03/12 09:58] Discover Islam: That’s why I gave salafis an opportunity to discuss with Qur’an and Hadith proofs, and asked them questions. Let them prove they are, the door is open
: If they prove the creed Hanafi Osmaniya Sufi shafi Maliki hanbali creed is wrong and they are the one saved group in 73 ,then I will renew my shahada with a salafi imam . Take this challenge, don’t play like school boys!

[09:13, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: Bismillahi walhamdulillah wa swalaathu wa salamu ala rasoolillah wa salamu ala ja’mi il muslimeen
welcome to the next par of 73 sects discussion
Today we look into logic of wahabis : THE WAHABI PARADOX!

The discussion include a video from youtube
Which give us an insight into the Pauline style contradiction of wahabis!

 If the Believers are ONE BODY (HADITH) You see Wahabis making that One Body Mushirk!
Making Isa a.s and Sahabi Mushrik
Secondly you can see the Wahabi psychology!

[09:23, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMqAKtk9o0A

THE WAHHABI LOGIC AND FOOLISHNESS:
Isnt that insanity, isnt that stupid! You call me Wahhabi?- Sshouts from Wahhabi Horn Mohammad Feiz Australia!

Lets do the Maths now!
If Salafi means:
Salafi= the One who follow Salaf Salih

then why not: Wahabi-
Wahabi= The One Who follow AL Wahhab (ALLAH) or Adbdul Wahhab

So if wahabis finding pride in calling themselves as “salafi” then why are they offended by someone calling them “Wahabi”?

See, how Allah SWT has instilled the dislike in their heart against the word “Wahabi”

As ALLAH’s WORD Prevails, see Quran 2:85 and Sura Ashab Aya 1
Allah has disgraced Abdul Wahab Najdi even in the hearts of his followers!

Thats why they feel offended when you call them Wahhabi!

And they feel happy when you call them “Salafi”

Because Allah and His Messenger (alaihiswalathu wa salam) honored salaf, even in the hearts of this misguided wahabis!

And Allah disgraced “Abdul Wahab Najdi” the obvious sign in his own followers for those who can understand (Ulool albaab)

More foolishness is available in the video, we will look into it now!

[09:25, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: “”You idiot you call me wahabi?, you dont know what it means!”
Yes Mr Muhammad feiz, we know wnat it means!

If “Salafi means follower of Salaf salih” and you are happy to use the title !salafi”

Then “Wahabi” means follower of “Al Wahab (ALLAH)” Or “Abdu Wahab” Al Najdi!

so why are you so getting angry and frustrated?
I am sorry for this people who have to follow this square heads!

 Wahabi 2- The guy from the HUDA TV says: “Asking from the dead is an act of shirk”

Who told this wicked and foolish man, that Muslims asking from the dead!
Are you going to the graves of your uncles or grandmothers and asking them for help?!

No, whom are you visiting them for intercession?
The Prophets, Siddiqin and saliheen, right? (see Quran 4:69)

Did’t Prophet Musa (A.S) appear in his grave, him heavens and met the Prophet a.s many times and offered his conversation?

The Hadith is clear that the blessed body of the Prophets do not decay!
There are many evidences that the blessed body of Awliya Allah (Sahaba, and Imams) didnt decay!

The Quran speaks about the pious who were dead in the cause of Allah, do not call them dead! they are alive!

And Hadiths speaks that, if someone ask for martyrdom, Allah will make him a martyr even if he died on his bed!

So we need to follow the whole truth!

Quran commands to be with the truthful, 9:119

Today’s big khalifa of the horn of shaytan from the east of Madinah in Qatar, Islamic Online University, third globally spread institution of Wahabism, Dr Bilal Philips says:

“if You say Ya Rasool Allah” (i.e ya Muhammad, Ya Nabi, Ya Ahmad,, Ya Hashir, ya Aqib) if you say “Ya…with the name of the prophets after it”
You are committing shirk by calling upon the Prophet!

This nut loose man Bilal Philips making “Isa” alaihissalam, who will go to the grave of Rasool Allah and will say “Ya muhammad” , ‘Abd Allah Ibn ‘Umar [May Allah be pleased with Him] was in Najd where one day his foot became numb. As a remedy to alleviate the pain, a person said to him. “Remember the one whom you love the most!” Upon hearing this Ibn ‘Umar [May Allah be pleased with Him] said “Ya Muhammad! [May Allah bless him and grant him peace]” and his foot made an immediate recovery from numbness.

[Imam Bukhari, Adab al Mufrad al Kalim al Tayyab; Hafidhh Ibn Taymiyya and Qadi Shawkani, Tuhfah al Dakireen chapter on Khadirat Rijluhu, and also Imam Nawawi’s Kitab al Adkar]

Dr Philips, making sahabi and isa a.s mushriks nauzbillaah1

[09:48, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: Abu Mussab Wajidi akkari- “If you write Allah’s name in one circle and next to it you write “Muhammad in another circle, then you are making shirk by making Prophet equal with ALLAH!

I hope his nut loose doesn’t need any response!

So if you write Allah’s name and Prophet’s name next to each other with out circles, then there is no shirk, right?

So when you write kalima tauheed next time: Don’t forget to write in this format!

La ilaha
illa ALLAH

Muhammad

Rasool ALLLAH

O no, Allah’s name came under the name of the Prophet

I committed shirk,what to do now! ? haha

Now in the video Yasir Qadi- A direct dua/supplication/pleading to anyone other than Allah, is an act of shirk!

(We already discussed this earlier, but Yasir Qadi in the convict box now!)

WoW, the so called theologian who speak too much about Imam Mahdi and end of times making foolish dialpgues!

See folk, I would like to meet this guys together or indivually one day face to face debate!

Do you know which rat holes they resides?

So basically Yasis Qadi and salafi folk (the 72 sects)
Saying Imam Mahdi (Leader) and his followers (Al Jamah) are mushrik who commit shirk in their time!

Because Imam Mahdi and his Jamah ask help of Isa a.s directly!

Mufti Asfal Hussien Elias, a Deobandi Mufti in Africa writes!

From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that “one who listens to your pleas has come”
So “the one who listen to your Pleas Has come” does not mean that the Muslim Jama who are righteous in the end of the times praying to Jesus.
It does not mean that they making Dua to Jesus.
It does not mean that Jesus is God.
But it means that they making Tawassul directly to Jesus alaihissalam
It means that TAWASSSUL IS obligatory on Muslims during the time of difficulties and calamities.
It is also mean that tawassul is permissable in Islam.
It also mean that righteous people make tawasssul.

THE PROOF:
His Descension
He will descend on a Jamaat (group) that will be righteous at the time and comprising of 800 men and 400 women. The people will be preparing for war at the time against Dajjal (the anti-Christ). It will be time for Fajr prayers, and Imam Mahdi will be the Amir (leader). From the darkness of the dawn, a sound will suddenly be heard that “one who listens to your pleas has come” — the righteous people will look everywhere and their eyes will fall on Isa (A.S.).

I DO NOT KNOW WHO IS MUFTI AFZL HUSSEIN ELIAS OF ZAMBIA.
BUT FROM HIS BLOG: http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html

NOTE: SO ACCORDING TO THE ABOVEPOST, IT IS ENOUGH PROOF FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FOOLS TO UNDERSTAND THAT TAWASSUL IS PART OF DEEN.
IT IS A PROOF THAT RIGHTEOUS MUSLIMS MAKE TAWASSUL TO HOLY PROPHETS OF ALLAH AND GREAT SAINTS.
IT IS PROOF THAT THOSE WHO SAY TAWASSUL IS SHIRK AND BID’AH ARE LIARS.
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM THE HADITH ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF ONE OF THE CHARECTER OF HYPOCRITE (MUNAFIQ) IS WHEN HE SPEAK HE LIE.
SO IT IS A PROOF THAT WAHHABIS ARE LIARS.
SO IT IS A PROOF THAT WAHHABIS HAVE THE ATTRIBUTES OF MUNAFIQ.
SO IT IS A PROOF FOR MUSLIMS THAT WAHHABIS ARE FOLLOWERS OF SATANS (LIARS)
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT THOSE WHO MAKE UNLAWFUL WHAT ALLAH HAS MADE LAWFUL, THEY ARE THE LOST PEOPLE.
IT IS ALSO A PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH THAT, THOSE WHO LIE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,PROPHET AND QURAN, SUCH PEOPLE ARE LOSERS IN THIS WORLD AND HEREAFTER.

AND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS POST, YOU CAN POST COMMENTS AND WE WILL REPLY YOU WITH REAL QURAN AND SAHEEH HADITH.
SO BE WITH AL JAMAH- THE JAMAH OF RIGHTEOUS AND PIOUS. LEAVE LIARS AND IMPOSTERS (FALSE SALAFIS)

And you will have an Islam based on your own opinion without an Imam and without a spiritual helper!
May Allah protect us from falsehood and misguidance! ameen

So I am asking salafi Yasir Qadhi and others, Are Imam Mahdi and his followers doing shirk? or Is Jesus Christ God? or are you the misguided 72 sects who twist the religion and ended up making imam Mahdi and followers!

So the Sunnis and Missionaries can ask the Question to Wahabis: Do you wahabis believe Isa a.s is God, so Imam Mahdi and his Jamah plead to him directly? Because you say, pleading to anyone other than Allah beyond human reach is shirk ?. Or do you agree your Aqeedha is wrong and you are misguided and those who follwoed you and die were misguided and died as those among 72 sects? So what about you now? Are you going to follow Christianity or are you going to renew your shahada in Osmaniya islamic creed now?
Or are you saying Imam Mahdi and his followers commit shirk by calling upon Jesus Christ (A.S) so we don’t follow Mahdi and his Jamah, as they commit shirk by calling upon Jesus?

Woe to you wahabi and munafiqs!

So Dr Majid , why are you waiting for Mahdi? Based on your doctrines, his jamah also not in it’s purity, they commit shirk by calling Isa a.s , not Allah!

So you dont join imam Mahdi, you remain as isolated “Muslim” from his jamah and leadership?

Just as the Prophet , peace and blessings of Allah be upon him told Hudaiafa R.A to stick to the main body and leader , the last one wa sottomans till there is no main bidy and jamah left after 1920s until today, Prophet a.s also told to follow Mahdi even if you have to crawl over the ice on your knees , you must give baya!

Because he is the leader to appear in the last Al Jamah and saved group , to over take the leadership of Osmaniya creed from where it disconnected!

And Dr Majid, are you going to reject the order of the Prophet to follow Mahdi and going to say, O the Prophet says to isolate from all groups, and my wahabi imams wrote that calling upon anyone other than Allah is shirk, so mahdi and his followers call upon jesus christ! So they are mushriks ,and their jamah is not in purity, so i am going to isolate from them!

Dr Majid is that the same view you and ISLAM CHANNEL have got to offer for the 21st century Muslim generation?

This is enough for today, let them ponder into it and come back to the true creed and truth, before the obvious person (Angel of death Azra’eel a.s) come upon them in a fixed time!

or is it shirk to believe azrail a.s make our dead and take our soul?

or Allah take our soul?

Or is it a contradiction in Islam? One place it says Allah make us death!
Another hadith says Azrail a.s make us die!

Or there is a hierarchical authority and leadership?
Not co-equal co-eternal?
Read 4:59
And understand Wahdaniyah, wahdathul wujood!

study about Al Gause Khwajah abu yaqoob ysuuf al hamadani , the saint in the time of young shaykh abdul Qadir Al Jilani (Q.S) and Ibn Saqqa!

Shaykh Yusuf AL Hamadani (R.A) had the command over death, he could say, better you die and the men dead immediately!

Study Imam Nawawi 40 hadith no 38 the hadith on the friend of God with permission in “Malik AL Mulk” read Quran 3:26 Say, “O Allah, Owner of Sovereignty, You give sovereignty to whom You will and You take sovereignty away from whom You will. You honor whom You will and You humble whom You will. In Your hand is [all] good. Indeed, You are over all things competent.

Quran 17:81 And say, “Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.”17:82 And We send down of the Qur’an that which is healing and mercy for the believers, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss.

[10:22, 12/4/2018] +234 xxx “And as for my father, he had a strong aversion to Tablighi types. Tablighis are but one among the many and diverse groups of Muslims, each of which has its own formula for paradise here and hereafter. Each represents a different lineage of thought and authority and thereby is a challenge to every other group. All contend with each other to attract adherents – and I, as a young seeker, was a legitimate target for all. While relishing this attention, I was determined not to be an aimless seeker. I wanted to experience for myself the different interpretations of Islam on offer, to question the propositions of each, and discover just what kind of paradise I was being ushered towards.”

From a book I am reading now, Desperately Seeking Paradise by Ziauddin Sardar.

[10:26, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: seeking paradise is still part of a human desire, seek to be a servant of Allah, here and hereafter, then paradise will be under your feet!!
See the only Imperishable, your LORD-Creator. if HE (ALLAH)is pleased with you and you are pleased with HIM, then you are in paradise wherever you are , because you are not looking for an imaginary paradise, but an unimaginable relationship!

[10:27, 12/4/2018] +234 : Well, all sects have tinges of human desires to them.
[10:29, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: why can’t everyone have the desire i described above? the purest desire!

[10:29, 12/4/2018] +234 —–0: Purest desire can’t be absolute. It depends on who is defining it.
[10:32, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: first we have to become humans as Allah described!
What kind of human we are?
Are we the humans as ALLAH Want us to be?
Insaan A Kaamil?
The servant,the Quran says: I have not Created man and Jinn but to worship ME!”
Did ALLAH Create the humans to seek paradise?
So we must know what we are created for
Other desires are for those who have other plans , retirement plans to the hereafter ☝ to rest in heaven!
We have no rest in heaven< We worship ALLAH , so people have different stations , aims and understanding, they will be rewarded for that! But still purest desire and others cannot be the same
just as adopted sons and begotten sons cannot be same! the words “love” and “like” cannot be same in context!

 

[10:39, 12/4/2018] +234 : How do we worship Allah without knowing Him first? Knowing what we are created for has no absolute answer across the sects in Islam.

How do we even seek paradise when Allah says He guides and misleads whomever He wills? How do you reconcile predestination and freewill in Islam?

[10:41, 12/4/2018] Discover Islam: you are plucking out some verses without knowing its contexts, so if you want to study, and understand your LORD, first you need to stop going to Quran by yourself. Because Allah’s Messenger (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has shown us how to learn Islam, the sahaba followed that method, tabi followed that method and they followed sahaba, and those who came after them followed  the a’immah who were before them and this practice will exist as the right method of learning religion!

Anyone who say, we study quran and hadith directly and do not need to follow imams or we follow salaf directly,, such salafi scholars are also a misguided sects in 72 misguided sects! Because that is not the methodology of learning deen from sahaba , tabi’een and tabi’tabi’een!

Seek out and find a shaykh who can guide you in tasawwuf. do what your LORD ask you to do, in 4:59 and 9:119 and 36:21

our focus is on the main body and jamah, we are not judging individuals of the past here. we are focussing on the advise of the prophet (a.s) to stick to the main body and it’s leader.
And that saying is related to last main body and leader, because the next questioned followed by this advise talk about what if there is no main body and leader!
The prophet a.s did not say, follow those who were there before the main body and leader!
But said to isolate from all this sects and groups!

And what happened today, a group of people coming and saying, we follow salaf , we are salafi!
Where did they get that foolish idea?

O They quote Hadith: “The best people are my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them”

But there did this Hadith say, to follow the three three?

The second followed first, the third followed the second!

The third did not say, o we must now jump over the second and follow the first generation directly!And taking Only Quran and Hadith! No, that type of Islam is you are imitating Christians and jews!

Or Ahlul Kitaab in this Ummah

Dr Abdul Majid is not interested in addressing the topics or engaging with the discussion , so he post video of salafi scholar and speaker on Islam Channel UK, Dr Haitham 

[08:23, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: Sallafi scholar Haitham said it is ok according to Islam in his ijma and qiyas, to take UK student loan!
What’s your position Dr Abdul Majid?! Is haitham view Islamic? Or haram/bidha? Is his view the view of main body and leader or the view of authentic s’ immah?
When it comes to money matters, salafi Sunni and Sufi are very united in their ijmah and qiyas and verdicts! But not for the matters of Deen. Allah says, do not be divided in two sects in the Qur’an!
What the Qur’an cannot do,i.e to united Muslims in Islamic way, the unbelievers western way succeeded to do , mashaa Allah! Muslims progressing in education and financial gains …..and keeping Allah and prophet in very high esteem!
Any way Dajjal is uniting Muslims as one ummah, and one jamah, all 72 sects (Including fake Sufis and fake Sunnis) are hugging each other and declaring unity! Going after the doctrine of Dajjal, and ignoring the command of the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, to isolate from all this sects and groups!

 So tariqah (way) of Salafi scholar Haitham is acceptable to salafi scholars and ‘just Muslim imams’ , while tariqah of Osmaniya is bidha and to be stayed away from!great progress of the ummah!

[20:11, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: bismillah wa swalathu wa salamu ala rasoolillah, wa salamun ala jam’il muslimeen
our article on the discussion with Dr Abdul Majid is to be finished in theblog soon, insha Alllah
I am seeing too much forwarded message here. Please share an external link if you want to share something with people. I a experiencing too many forward messages now

Quran and salafi published six sahih is enough to fry salafis in this group!
The teaching of awliya Allah is for those who follow them

don’t through pearls to those who don’t respect it and who dont want to accept the truth

and this is not a page for propagating sufism, if anyone want to study and practice tasawwuf, then they must go to a murshid kaalim in the naqshbandi haqqani tariqah and be a disciple!

 we are preaching here the main body and saved sect, al Jamah and leaders, A’immah and their folk!
Let those who think they are the saved sect, bring their a’imma, mujaddids ,and main body of every centuries!

if they can prove they have this three Prophetic ordained groups then I will renew my shahada in Islam that saved sect!

if they dont have it, then they have no other way to be saved, except my way- the Osmaniya way!
[20:18, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: The Osmniya khilafa adopted hanafi madhab and were upon the ahlu sunnah creed of four madhabs, and they followed Naqshbandi Qadri Sufi ways and respected and promoted all the tariqah in the Khilafa lands!
To become a soldier of khilafa, the applicant must have trained and certified by the shaykh of tariqah, the certificate prove that the person is spiritually fit and sincere to be the soldier of islam, today khwarij leading so called dirty jihad Boko,shabab etc in different fake titles as salafi/ and claiming to be representatives of islam

every Ottoman sultans were guided by the Prophet a.s and they all constantly dreamed prophet s.a.w and received advise and instructions!

Today fake imams coming up and saying, prophet is their guide and they don’t know what they are speaking!

 FINALLY ABDUL MAJID SPEAKS UP AND GIVES HIS MESSAGE:
The Questions and Points we raised is not addressed by Dr Abdul Majid-Islam Channel UK Speaker!

[20:22, 12/5/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: Dear brother, let me clear myself:
1. I do not connect with any JAMA’AH.
2. I believe myself as Muslim only and nothing more.
3. My source of Islam is only: the Qur’an, Sunnah and explanation of the sahabah from all our classic books which are available or which I have excess to it.
4. I do not have any problem with anybody who says he or she is Muslim.
5. I do not doubt the statement or declaration of a Muslim because I am not the judge Allah is the Judge.
6. I do not give fatwa against anybody. If anybody asks me any question regarding Islam, then I clearly say that according to my research from the Qur’an and hadith or from sahabah this is what I believe. Also I make myself clear that if you do not agree with me then I have no problem to it. I believe that everybody is responsible for their belief in front of Allah.
7. I have no problem if someone claim as SIFIES, SALAFIES, HANAFIES ETC.
8. I have my way of looking at others.
9. Today every sect, every group and every Jama’ah is busy proving that their group and sect is 1 saved sect out of 73.
10. I do not want to prove I am right and others are wrong.
11. If someone thinks that he or she is right then I have no problem with that.
12. When I will die I will be responsible for myself. Allah will ask me about myself and He will not ask me about others.
THIS IS my final message in this group. I am not interested in any debate after this.
Jazak Allahu khayran for all your support

[20:26, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: thank you Dr Abdul Majid, I welcome your comments and and i have a few questions since you said, that your source is only Quran and sunnah. What do you say about people who celebrate birthdays especially birthday of the Prophet and themselves?
can you tell me according to the Quran and sunnah? ,when it comes to the matters of beliefs and aqeedha of ahlu sunnah, i am no way going to agree with some of the statement of Dr Abdul Majid and some videos he shared on his facebook from the salafi scholars who mock at Ahlu sunnah wal Jamah

 so if Abdul Majid is truthful in is claim, he made above, that he is only a Muslim and Quran and sunnah alone are his sources and he dont follow any sects, then he should not have shared those videos of Wahabi shaitans!

So I don’t even believe in his formal statement he made above! Because his actions contradict his statements!
his facebook profile is loaded with videos of those men who are uponthe aqeedha wahabism!
Or Abdul Majid making them equivalent to the Quran and sunnah!?

[20:39, 12/5/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : 1. I do not celebrate prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) birthday and will never celebrate till my death. This is because I could not find in my research that the prophet Muhammad pbuh ever celebrated it. But those who celebrate I congratulate them. I have no problem with them

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[20:39, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: is only what the prophet did is evidence in islam? you quoted sunan abu dawood , doesnt it say the sunnah of rightly guided ?

[20:42, 12/5/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : My Facebook is not mine as an admin. There is someone else who is the admin. Plus I post everything regardless of any sect or belief. Something I think it should be shared, I share.

[20:42, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: this group is not for sharing forwarded photos, don’t share things that you did not read or you have no knowledge of!since it is in your name, the admin should follow your instruction, or you must tell you admin your principle, sorry i am no one to interfere into your personal things!
But as you are in a position of responsibility, i think it is giving confusing information out to the people!,

[20:45, 12/5/2018] Dr Abdul Majid : I do not think you are shaytan because you your doctrine and at the same time I do not think that any wahabi or salafi or hanafi or deabandi is shaytan. You may call them anyway you like it. Allah will not ask me about you and you will not be askec about me. All I say is congratulation to you all. I share all.
I did not find any khalifah or Imam celebrated or asked their followers. But as I said I have no problem with those who celebrate

[20:48, 12/5/2018] Discover Islam: CELEBRATING MAWLID:

Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Quran 21:107 And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.

The advent of the Prophet Muhammad (alaihiswalathu wa salam) is the greatest bounty of Allah because the Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) is sent as a mercy to the whole creations!

Quran 10:58 Say, “In the bounty of Allah and in His mercy – in that let them rejoice; it is better than what they accumulate.”

Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala says believers to rejoice in His bounty and Mercy , which is better than what we accumulate!

Those who reject the rejoicing of the Birth of the Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) either says Prophet is not a Mercy or says we don’t rejoice in the Mercy of Allah and attack those who rejoice in His Mercy!

This is clear Kufr (rejection of truth- rejection of the two clear verses of the Quran)

Quran says such people are accursed and despised in this world and hereafter!

Quran 2;85 ….So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.

Because those who disbelieved in the verses in the Quran which says the Prophet is sent as a Mercy to all world and to rejoice in Allah’s Mercy, indeed rejected in the verses as the Jews believed in some and disbelieved in some revelation!

The Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) warns many from this nation will imitate Jews (in Misguidance and disobedience)!
so are yousaying sahaba did not celebrate birth or birthday at all?

[20:50, 12/5/2018] Dr Abdul Majid: I according to my Islamic studies Allah will send Munkar and Nakir in grave to ask me about Allah, Islam and Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Therefore, I am happy to study of these three things.
My brother, please do not try to convince me with your evidence. If you think it is okay for you and based on this evidence you celebrate it then fine. Congratulation to you. But do not try to convince me. Please do what you think is good for you .

 

END:

Dr Abdul Majid Ali speaker on Islamic Channel TV UK refused to address the topic in it’s depth. His replies lack contents and rich description from Quran ,Ahadith and a’immah! He did not answer who are the ten Mujaddid and a’immah of Islam and their common folk. He did not answer the Questions on Osmaniya khilafa and the questions on who are the main body and it’s leaders. On the evidences we quoted on Mawlid, and asking help from Allah’s Messenger (s.a.w) and Tawassul of Imam Mahdi and his jamah to Isa (a.s) who is in the heaven!

So we finish this discussion here now!

But before I leave the blog article, I suggest young Muslims to study religion with open heart and intelligence! Follow the Quran and Ahadith quoted in this blog and use it as a criteria to find the correct creed and saved group!

Dr Abdul Majid and others in this discussion is only an elements for you to understand the reality of today’s Islam and the questions to Dr Abdul Majir and others is a  question for you to ask yourself. Where are you standing in this questions and points?

Are you standing inside of the Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamah, the creed of a’imman and their folk?

or are you standing somewhere else?

Do not be tricked by your ego that says you are an Imam/you are an aalim, you are a hafiz, you are a Mufti , you are a nice person who goes to Masjid five times!
Every 72 sects have such people who are aalim, who are Imam, who are hafiz, who are mufti, who are nice people!
But the Prophet Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa salam says, Muslims are one Body, in another Hadith it is said to stick to the main body and jamah, in another Hadith it says to be sincere to a’immah of the Muslims and their folk!

This creed of a’immah is known as the creed of ahlu sunnah wal jamah, the HANAFI-SHAFI-MALIKI-HANBALI-ASH’AARI-MATHURIDI-SUFI CREED-Osmaniya The largest creed , all Imams of Hadith and Sunni Islam fall into this creed.

If you are from outside this creed then it was established outside of the last Khilafa-Osmaniya Khilafa!
Osmaniya khilafa is the last link for you to seek the main bod and saved sect (Jamah)

so renew your faith in the correct creed and be steadfast.

We all renewing our shahadath everyday, this is the message of Osmniya shaykhs!

One who does not take our instructions is the one who is lost!

wa salamun alal mursaleen

walhamdulillahi rabbil aalameen

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